seeking advice regarding red triangle on 2006 Prius with 179K

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by SR13, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. jadziasman

    jadziasman Prius owner emeritus

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    No dolj, a new battery isn't just its modules. The battery control unit is reused by Toyota and everyone else for that matter which effectively means that no one sells a brand new battery (with all new components) unless it's in a brand new vehicle. You do get "most" of a brand new battery from Toyota and what you do get is brand new but you don't get everything brand new and that's my point.

    I said it was "silly" as a response to amnyce who said that anyone who thought that it was more difficult to install a new Toyota battery than a Dorman was being silly.

    And it is still silly that Toyota requires what it does. It can easliy test and reuse the BCU from a core return and put it back in the same or some other HV battery and sell it as complete and ready to install. But they don't want to do it that way

    This is not an urban legend. Other people have posted photos and other details showing that this is what is done.

    Exchanging HV Battery for New One | PriusChat

    And it seems that many do not bother to completely read the thread that they're commenting in either. There is no difference
    between a Gen 2 and a Gen 3 module any more with respect to a replacement HV battery. They both contain NP2 Modules,

    I never said Gen 2 module. I just said new module. kinglew keeps stating Gen 2 modules. He is and continues to be stubbornly incorrect by choice.
     
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    My fact no more gen 2 module be manfactructed . gen 3 module are still manufactrued
     
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    My tought are the same as yours
     
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    Dorman more bang for your buck in a used Prius makes good financial sense
     
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    Hilarious. :ROFLMAO::LOL::D:LOL::ROFLMAO:
     
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    I did say that this particular comment was not directed at your post. Perhaps the direct was too subtle, but you seem to have arrived at the target in any case. That member is like a broken record.
     
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    I hope I am still going in 19 months ...
     
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    You have missed my point.
    When Toyota are doing the battery replacement, their SOP is to replace the BCU with a new one for ~$500, but the owner is free to decline and reuse the BCU. New BCUs are freely available, if you want one.
    That wasn't very clear. Perhaps you should quote the part of the post to which you are responding. Dorman have obviously tailored their solution to the end user. Toyota's is not as that was not (and probably never will be) their intention.
    Wasn't your point that you thought everything should be new? I don't think it is "silly", and I can see from where Toyota is coming. Don't forget their process is designed around their technicians doing the work, so they are fully entitled to define the process anyway they like. It was never intended by Toyota for this to be a user serviceable item.

    In any case your opinion is perfectly valid, as are amnyce's and mine. There is no need to make judgements about whose ideas are "silly" or not.
     
  9. jadziasman

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    Perhaps you have forgotten what amnyce wrote, dolj. He was the first one to use the word silly.

    These are his exact words:
    How would it be more complicated than a Dorman battery?? That's just silly.

    So amnyce clearly did not know why Toyota battery installation by DIYers in the USA is more involved than just dropping
    in a Dorman. And I provided this information to him.

    Just try to educate some people and you get piled on. Who needs that. But it comes with the territory on this site unfortunately.

    No, my point is that it should be easy for the stealership or a DIYer to drop in the battery, just like a Dorman or other rebuilt battery without swapping parts. The only reason I can think of why Toyota doesn't do it that way is because they couldn't legitimately call the battery new if they reuse the BCU or other components from core returns. And, it would be really dumb for a customer to pay for a new BCU when the one in the battery they currently have is functioning adequately - more profit for the stealership and that's all.

    And how do YOU know that the Toyota replacement battery was not to be a user serviceable item. Toyota sells this battery on Amazon.com! Might not be true in New Zealand but it is true here in the USA! USA! USA! USA!
     
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    dolj do you no the difference between gen 2 battery and a gen3 me thinks you do not !!
     
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    I've posted this before, but here it is again... what a Toyota OEM HV battery replacement looks like.
    Much more exposure to high voltage than the Dorman drop in replacements.
    Lots more room for error!

    EV Powers - OEM HV Battery parts swap.jpg
     
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    Very likely, all the more reason to include the quote to which you are replying.
    I do think you have a valid point, but respectfully, I disagree. I already answered why they don't do it, plus it is more likely done this way to keep costs down. And yes, if they start using recycled components, it is no longer new. You seem to forget that the part they supply that is new is the case and modules all packed up into a battery. All the control gear, relays, BCU etc, are in the separate cage to the right, which is (rightly IMHO) reused. In a standard replacement (when done by Toyota) Toyota recommend replacing the BCU (which you can decline - and save ~$500 - they rarely fail), but they reuse the other stuff - which actually belongs to the owner - and they actually have no right to remove and replace with who knows what. I certainly don't want my good and in working order stuff removed without my consent.
    Because officially Toyota (worldwide) state that. What is intended and what happens (in any particular jurisdiction) are two different things. A lot of what happens in the USA is interesting, to say the least. All power to the lawyers.

    Let's just agree to disagree. We can be both right. Or wrong. It doesn't much matter.
     
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    Perhaps it is that someone doesn't know the difference between a module and a battery.

    My issue with your assertions is that you claim that Toyota no longer sell new batteries for the Gen II, simply because Primearth EV Energy only are now making NP2 and NP2.5 modules. Your logic is flawed and one does not follow the other.
     
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    Now or in the past, it is all the same. But please, do enlighten me.
     
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    I ask you the question do have do you have knowledge or do you just shoot your mouth off with garbage
     
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    I learn from the best.
     
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    That what I tought ! You just post to post!!!!!
     
  19. SR13

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    Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. It took longer to get my car fixed but finally did last week. I ended up replacing the battery at Toyota dealer instead of from private shops. Toyota is playing with these shops by dropping the warranty to just 1 year if done outside of dealership and its 3 years if done thru dealership. To sweeten the deal, dealer waived taxes (around $300+) on the bill.

    I missed getting clarification if the warranty is 3 years with 36K or 3 years unlimited miles. Earlier it used to 1 year with unlimited miles.
     
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    I have the same problem with a 06 Prius but with 172k miles on it that puts its value at around $4500 in “good” condition so are we throwing good money away by spending 2or3k to fix it?
     
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