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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Two similar points of view:


    Also:


    Does an amusing advertising lie justify a desirable result?

    VW claimed they had a "clean diesel" which for fuel efficiency is a good thing <COUGH> <COUGH>. How about 'non-addictive' opioids?

    The Wilson family has happily bought and used: 1991 Camry; 2001 Echo; 2003 Prius; 2010 Prius, and; 2017 Prius Prime. Sure there have been challenges that we had to overcome. But claiming "self charging" is a little too far for this engineer. It rates right up there with the anti-charging Lexus commercial.

    IMHO, someone in Toyota/Lexus has lost their way. I can only hope they will get better ... like VW? <BRAHHAHAHA>

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Is the "full self driving" claim any better?

    And there is one true "Self charging hybrid", Prius Prime with solar roof I can buy it in Europe.

    Toyota marketing department obviously had to find something to distinguish between new 48V mild hybrids and plug-in hybrids. Full hybrid is not the best label. I don't know why would someone conclude that energy for "Self charging" comes from Unikorn farts, of course it comes from gasoline. The car uses it's own gas angine and generator to charge the battery, why is it wrong to call it Self charging?

    But what do I know, English is not my first language, so fell free to teach me differently.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    You are doing quite well with one minor correction (perhaps 'autocorrect' screw-up?)

    For me it is a question of seeing language used in false, "perpetual motion" claims, applied to a serious, useful technology, hybrids. Hybrids can save substantial amounts of energy. But there have been notable failures such as any 'micro' hybrid or those horrible 48V systems.

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    Pick up a self-charging car. Pop over to the grocery store and visit the juice aisle to pick up a case of "100% Juice with added ingredients" that you can sip while driving your self-charging car. No use fighting Madison Avenue....
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    A Toyota exec claimed a BEV battery costs $34,000, and VW is putting millions into BEV factories. I don't want to trust VW, but they do seem to be walking the talk, to say.

    The one hybrid with a solar roof has a plug, which makes it a collateral target to the self-charging ad.
     
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    john1701a Prius Guru

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    If you read for context and actually do the math, that number works out.
     
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    why would the average reader do that? shouldn't the exec explain his fuzzy math?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    “On electrification, we see an opportunity in North America, but it’s much further down the road,” Carter said Tuesday at a forum co-hosted by the National Automobile Dealers Association. “The average vehicle today costs $34,000 and for many EVs, the battery costs $34,000. The economics are not there.”
    - A $255 Billion EV Debate Is Raging Among the World’s Biggest Automakers

    What other context is there? What else did he say?
     
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    which of these 'many ev's' have a battery cost of $34,000.? model s? x? jaguar? porch?

    likely not the bolt, leaf or model 3.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The S and X battery might, if you were able to expand it to provide 450 miles of range. Just switching to the newer cells used in the Model 3 will improve range, more so if also upgrading the motors, and it may cost the same or be cheaper.
     
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