smokin' in the prius

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Froley @ Aug 19 2007, 11:30 AM) [snapback]498667[/snapback]</div>

Froley,

I can't help wondering if the vent in the back used to keep the battery cool isn't contributing to your ash spreading problem.

In other cars, air comes in through the front window (or the A/C vents), swirls around the driver's seat area a bit and then heads right back out through the same window.

With the Prius air comes in through the front window or the A/C vents, increasing the interior air pressure slightly above the exterior air pressure, this pushes air out through the vent in the back, setting up an air flow the runs through the entire passenger compartment from front drivers side diagonally back to rear passenger side. This air flos is likely to reduce the amount of ash that gets sucked out the front window, and is likely to carry more ash throughout the entire car.

I also can't help wondering if the smoke residue and ash being sucked into that vent is affecting the battery and battery sensors at all. I assume the battery and sensors are sealed somehow, and that the residue won't significantly affect the ability to keep it cool.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Danny Hamilton @ Aug 20 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]499051[/snapback]</div>

Wow, Danny. Certainly makes sense when you think about it. Never thought that even a car could suffer from second hand smoke. Sure hope there is a good filter on that battery vent.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Danny Hamilton @ Aug 20 2007, 08:28 AM) [snapback]499051[/snapback]</div>

Most cars actually have a vent system that lets air out towards the rear of the car, so it comes in the windows and out the rear, aided by the negative pressure behind the car, that's why when you have the air on non-recirc mode, we don't implode from the air pressure.

 

FWIW, this is a problem for people other than smokers... I had my dog in the car for a long road trip back around the 4th of July - windows up on the highway, all that. After i got home, i rolled down the windows on my way to work like i always do, and the dog hair whipped up like a freaking storm.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fred S @ Aug 20 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]499070[/snapback]</div>

Interesting, you learn something new every day. I suppose that the vent is just hidden better in other cars. Interesting that Toyota chose to make the vent so obvious.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IndyDoug @ Aug 19 2007, 02:37 PM) [snapback]498710[/snapback]</div>

Until 2 years ago, I used to ... legally! But Montana finally caught up with the times, and enacted their first open container law. Dang, it was kinda cool ... driving my the cops, taking a slug. Gotta love it. Now, they're even in the process of eliminating smoking (not only in the resteraunts) in the BARS !! What next, the casinos? Good!

Here's looking at a dead smoker's cancerous lung:
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My wife's grandma died of lung cancer w/o ever smoking ... but her brother did, a lot. And she lived w/ him for years. 2nd biggest cause of lung cancer death ... 2nd hand smoke ... killing the ones you say you love ... gotta love it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Froley @ Aug 19 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]498685[/snapback]</div>

I put the window gards on set the a/c on norm leave all the windows up except the one Im sitting at and crack it 1 inch below the rain gard and fick the ashes and the butts out that way. and best of all people that dont smoke cant tell that I smoke in the car...

Froley, we do not smoke, we are the suckers on the other end... :lol:

I only become a prick towards nonsmokers if they come up to me and complain about the smoke. Ill blow it in their faces... only if provoked, ie walk up into my personal space and complain about my smoke in the outdoor smoking area thats posted..... <_<

As for the cancer debate, I know a person that has esophogus cancer, he has never smoked a day in his life, or the uncle that just died of natural causes at the age of 84 he smoked from the age 14 to 84. No Cancer..

 

I have no problem with ash in my car. Perhaps it's your vent setting on your climate control. The fan may not be on, but air could still be going through the vent. If it's the dash vents, then that could help the ash make it's way around the inside of the car. You could also try smoking something other than tobacco. I've been smoking domestic BC 'tobacco', and have had no problem with ash or odor. Sometimes, I can still catch a faint whiff of new-car smell

 

oops, double post

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fred S @ Aug 20 2007, 06:08 AM) [snapback]499070[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Danny Hamilton @ Aug 20 2007, 07:07 AM) [snapback]499096[/snapback]</div>

Mister Correctly says: "Since we are going to 'learn' something today, let's make sure it is correct." :lol:

In a "non-recirc mode" (fresh air), without the car venting, the car interior would pressurize and explode.
In the recirc mode, if the car were to only vent, the car interior would implode.
But . . . FredS does say "we." So, if we are talking about a human body inside the car under the above scenarios, FredS is correct.
Of course, this is all theory, and would not happen in the real world.

The vent "Toyota chose to make . . . so obvious" is the vent that helps keep the traction battery cool and comfortable. Whether that vent is also the only vent available to equalize the interior and exterior pressures is beyond Mister Correctly's realm of expertise.

Since there was learnin' going on, Mister Correctly felt the need to clarify. :mellow:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Aug 19 2007, 12:04 PM) [snapback]498675[/snapback]</div>

Geez, lighten up.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hycamguy07 @ Aug 20 2007, 12:25 PM) [snapback]499162[/snapback]</div>

Yep, always a good idea to provoke troublemakers ... return bad for bad. Sure works over there in the middle east.
A smoker entered into our 25 person-outdoor clubhouse jacuzzi gated perimeter and he lights up ... despite tons of NO SMOKING signage all around him. So ... my highly asthmatic spouse begins to wheeze and cough. Mr. sensitive smoker? No response. Kind of reminds me of the smokers at the court house. (They have to post signs to keep ‘em 20 feet away from the doors … behind the line, because they, for the most part, just don’t get it.)

Getting the stink eye from my spouse, I apologetically ask the guy, “Hey, can you help with the coughing here, by not smoking as the signs say?â€

Yes, he left, but not before throwing his unopened beer bottle at me, in the Jacuzzi.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Aug 20 2007, 09:51 AM) [snapback]499188[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Aug 20 2007, 11:19 AM) [snapback]499233[/snapback]</div>

Is this a Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman moment?
B)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Aug 20 2007, 02:19 PM) [snapback]499233[/snapback]</div>

Perhaps it was your tone.

Seriously, aren't you exaggerating the situation just a little? I have severe asthma for which I have been hospitalized several times. I take three medications daily and can't say that I have ever started wheezing and coughing from contact with cigarette smoke OUTSIDE. Inside maybe, but only after prolonged exposure. But certainly not from being within a few feet of a smoker outside. Sounds like your spouse needs to take better control of his/her asthma.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hycamguy07 @ Aug 20 2007, 11:25 AM) [snapback]499162[/snapback]</div>

Gotta say, too, that it *is* your right to smoke if you'd like to. And we do all have to try and get along; it's only going to get worse as the decades pass. Besides, how boring it would be if we were all exactly the same, and all optimized for the current ideal of "perfection."

I think it's more about if anyone involved cops an attitude (as you said); then it's not really about the smoke anymore, but about something else entirely.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morpheusx @ Aug 20 2007, 05:17 AM) [snapback]499047[/snapback]</div>

And I gave him a viable answer or did you miss that?

I added an opinion regarding another members post. Whether you agree with my opinion or not is irrelevant but "annoying" someone and detracting from someones health or the economy of a nation are two entirely different things. Would you care to argue that my statements are not valid or factual or are you just shooting from the hip because you dislike me or my ideas? lol

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Froley @ Aug 20 2007, 05:55 PM) [snapback]499481[/snapback]</div>

Do you have any numbers regarding this claim? Are there any studies down to show any health improvements gained through these exercise programs and how that could add or subtract from the total investment in these "middle-aged idiots"? I'm being serious. What is the average annual expenditures for medical care for these people and what is your opinion regarding exercise? Is it beneficial for the individual and society or is it a detractor?

As a non-smoker I will tell you that just because you are in your car does not mean those of us behind you are not effected by your smoking habit. I, quite regularly, have to deal with someone smoking in the vehicle in front of me (it readily enters my car and now I am subjected to breathing it in). Much like driving behind a diesel-fueled vehicle or one in which they have removed the cats for performance. Why should I have to be subjected to breathing garbage that they put into the air?

This is not a rant towards you personally Foley, but at anyone in general with these particular habits who deem it none of my business what they choose to do with themselves. IMO it is just as rediculous as the landowner who thinks he can do anything he damn well pleases with his land, including dumping toxins, just because he "owns" it. It's quite foolish when you understand the connections.

 

You are kidding, right? As an ex-smoker I've spread ashes and yellow stain a lot of places and was never surprised by it. (Not to mention the burnt places where I laid a cigarette down and forgot it.) You're in a 25% minority. Why would you expect to find help here?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Froley @ Aug 20 2007, 05:55 PM) [snapback]499481[/snapback]</div>

As a non-smoker married to a former smoker, I would NEVER express hatred towards anyone that smokes.
Litterbugs, who throw their butts out the window as they drive, yes... but only their actions, not the person.
Smokers who stand in the doorway and smoke, when the law says 25 feet from doorways (this is common at restaurants and bars, here), I do get a bit irritated at.
It is your car. I feel bad for your car, and I hope that at some point in your life you will value yourself as much as you seem to value your car (Prii are cars worth valuing, I know), and you will then lay down the things that are damaging to yourself.
Until then, I wish you well, and hope you come up with a solution to this problem.