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  1. kevins007

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    Hello:

    I live in Wisconsin and I am seriously considering getting Michelin X-Ice Xi3 snow tires for my Prime.
    Does anyone have any input on these or any other snow tires? I have never purchased snow tires before.

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    Good pick. There may be others with a snow traction "edge", but the X-Ice are also very quiet and assured on bare pavement, decent low rolling resistance too.
     
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    Costco has them on sale right now. $336.00 for 4 tires installed. But the sale only last till 9/24/17.
     
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    I had X-Ice Xi3 on my previous Gen3, and really liked it. It was very quiet and smooth. I did not do too many driving on snow last winter, but few times I did drive on snow, I felt super secure compared to OEM Ecopia. That said, I am sure those sale will come back again before Nov, so I don't think you need to be rushed into installing them now, if you want to wait a bit longer.
     
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    Will you be doing any non-standard driving (off ordinary roads)?

    I live in Minnesota and have many generations of Prius since 2000 and simply don't see the need.

    My recent upgrade was from a 2012 Prius PHV which got around just fine for 5 winters using just all-season tires.
     
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    If you're thinking to use separate rims (good strategy) I would not hesitate, buy them now, before the rush, and possible supply run out.
     
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    Also check out the thread "Wider Tires on Stock Rims" in the "Prime Accessories and Modifications" section
    Wider tires on stock rims? | PriusChat

    Some snow-tire specific comments got injected into that discussion.
     
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    I work at a job where I need to be on call and get to any location at any time so that is my reasoning behind the snow tires
     
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    5 year old all seasons in Minnesota winter does not sound good to me...

    Having two sets of tires they'll for sure last longer too.
     
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    I had a friend from Winnipeg who never used snow tires. Then again, when I lived in North Dakota, I never had snow tires either. Good thing was that there are no hills there, and I was young then. :whistle:
     
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    It was 5 winters with all-season tires... not the same set though. The first all-season wore out. I replaced then with another set.

    The point was at no time were snow tires used or needed for ordinary winter driving.




    SM-G920V ?
     
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    On my Prius c, I used Nokia Hakkapeliitta R2, studless. According to reviews, these are one of the better studless winter tires, although more expensive than other options. In my experience, I find these to be somewhat fair performance on ice. The tires worked well in slush and snow, with some slipping, but less than the all seasons, and worked excellent in packed snow. The general road noise is low with these tires and grips well in city traffic on dry and wet roads (unlike studs...). On the highway and backroads, I had to go much slower when there was heavy rain because of increased hydroplaning compared to all seasons.

    To save money, I'm probably going to use these again, on my Prime, since tread is 9/32, and since the 175 width (compared to the Prime's stock 195) ought to provide more pressure on packed snow/ice for improved traction.
     
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    That seems reasonable. The Michelin X-Ice series seems to run cheaper than the Nokians (mostly cause you can get the X-Ice with a larger discount when they're on sale).

    My experience with dedicated winters is only with the Nokian Hakkapeliita R. The others (WR, WRG2 and WRG3) are all-weather tires.

    The R's were fantastic and grippy on packed snow. They were pretty good on loose snow (ground clearance was the biggest issue) and just adequate on ice (there are better ice tires). Nokian winter tires tend to be a touch noisy on bare ground (esp. the WRs since you run them year-round).

    I'd say go for the X-ice. I would recommend a separate set of rims for them (makes it easy to change and you'll make back the cost of purchasing the rims back within a year - which is two tire changes, compared to having the shop swap out the tires on the stock alloy rims twice a year)
     
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    And this is why I want the Edit button back:

    No.
     
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    Thanks. I bought the X-ice yesterday from Costco for $336.00 total. And they are willing to hold on to them until I decide to have them mounted. And yes, I will be purchasing another set of rims this summer. It is almost $100.00 to have 4 tires mounted and balanced so your right, the rims will pay for themselves after awhile.
     
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    Good pick. We have X-Ice2, since the car was new, November 2010. Around here snow is very infrequent, it's more just icy conditions. I've found the X-Ice2 are very smooth/quiet on bare roads. These are the rims I got:

    Corolla 15" black steel rims p/n: 42611-02471
    With lug nuts p/n: 90942-01007 (utilitarian, open-ended, galvanized)

    I put an 2" (nominal) ABS end cap on the centre hub, with a section of bicycle inner tube acting as a gasket, locking it on. Also a drop of oil on the end of the wheel studs, to slow down rusting. Acorn nuts are nicer looking, but it seems like all the Amazon options are extremely long, sort of one-size-fits-all I guess.

    They're utilitarian looking, but the hub opening is tailored for Corolla/Matrix/Prius, so no adapter ring is needed.

    If you can get away without getting TPMS sensors, just get plain valve stems, I would go that route. Some US States will fail the car at inspection. See if you can get inspection during the summer, lol. Also, some tire places will insist on TPMS install, they risk fines if they don't. Perhaps with loose rims/tires you can skirt the issue??
     
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    Ditto. I run the winters without TPMS. I just have to be more religious in checking the pressures to ensure proper inflation. (or basically what we used to do before TPMS came around). It's costly to reprogram those twice a year. (Not sure why they don't allow the software to remember 8 sensors rather than 4).
     
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    Friendlier TPMS can't happen too soon.
     
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    I'm under the impression that TPMS isn't required, at least in Canada.
     
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    The first link here:

    Ask TC Motor Vehicle Safety - Transport Canada

    Says new vehicles sold in Canada don't have to have TPMS. But then the second link, regarding "winter and replacement tires" says it's up to the province. I think we're ok, the preponderance seems be no. One of those issues it's best to not ask about, lol.
     
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