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  1. dbermanmd

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Mar 23 2007, 12:43 PM) [snapback]410932[/snapback]</div>
    no solutions?
     
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  2. desynch

    desynch Die-Hard Conservative

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lywyllyn @ Mar 23 2007, 11:59 AM) [snapback]410941[/snapback]</div>
    There are new terrorists made everyday because of Fundametalist Muslim Brain Washing.. They're indoctrinated when they're children, and raised to be killers in the name of Allah. They think the only way they can make a difference is by killing and murdering people.. to make a statement... HENCE WHY BUSH IS TRYING TO BUILD A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.

    I don't care WHY they want to kill us.. I'm just glad Bush has stepped up to the plate.. He isn't the best public speaker but he knows evil when he sees it.. unlike most liberals, who get evil and good confused.

    Lywyllyn.. I'm glad you provided a "solution", unlike livelychick, she just whines about the evil NeoCon Bush and his Oil Mongering ways... If she isn't disrespecting the President she's either advocating the catering to of terrorists or trying to be a liberal gun-grabber.
     
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  3. Darwood

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    "I don't care WHY they want to kill us.. "
    Very telling....

    "unlike livelychick"
    More baiting...

    "she's either advocating the catering to of terrorists or trying to be a liberal gun-grabber."
    More name calling.

    All the more reason no one should bother trying to have an adult conversation with you.
     

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  4. desynch

    desynch Die-Hard Conservative

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Mar 23 2007, 01:12 PM) [snapback]410998[/snapback]</div>
    Darwood, I'm stating the obvious. liberalchick hasn't given a single answer to what SHE thinks should be done, she only speaks negatively about WHAT is being done. A very typical liberal action.

    And for name calling? Dude, she IS a liberal gun-grabber.. a duck is a duck is a duck. How that is name calling is beyond me..

    and NO, I don't CARE why they want to kill us - it doesn't matter. We aren't going to change our way of life to cater to a bunch of wingnuts.. well, Conservatives don't want that.. liberals are all about "change".
     
    #84 desynch, Mar 23, 2007
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    livelychick Missin' My Prius

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Mar 23 2007, 02:12 PM) [snapback]410998[/snapback]</div>
    I like your avatar. I'm reminded of the time a fundie I worked with wrote me a four-page letter explaining why my Darwin sticker was a sure sign of my impending doom.

    He was always so angry at people...

    Anyway, thanks for your pointing out of reality. Poor Llwyllyn, forced to be sole voice of reason on this thread. I've actually put both of the trolls on ignore, so if I have no idea what's going on or being said, it's because I truly haven't read their diatribes, not just read and discarded them.

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  6. Darwood

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    Even trolls can be humerous.
    My god man, you call us ALL "gun grabbing liberals" when we don't agree with you. Don't act like this discussion is only for you and her. Why not address some of the points others made? Not fun enough?

    "NO, I don't CARE why they want to kill us - it doesn't matter."
    That's the problem. The US is not a self sufficent island. We only have one earth here and you're not going to exterminate every other country so that you don't have to change along with the rest of the world. (And I'll make the same argument to Islamofascists too!).

    Besides, aren't you for globalization? How does globalization work without recognizing that the other side has its own interests also?

    It matters VERY MUCH, why they hate us. Its clear you also dont care why democrats disagree/hate republicans, and vice versa. Are they just supposed to kill each other too because they don't agree.

    We have to "live togethor or die alone" This is true whether you're talking about your neighbor you don't like, the town over, the next state, or the neighboring country.

    You reap what you sow, and I only see you sow hate.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar 23 2007, 12:58 PM) [snapback]410981[/snapback]</div>
    Erhm isn't that what I said about .. uhm 3 - 4 times :) but good I am glad you get my point.

    Okay, that is your take, however I do care, because understanding why is what gives us a chance to come up with permanent solution, IMNSHO :) . I do not believe that killing all radicals is going to make the problem go away. The vacuum left will create more extremists and we have to keep on killing. Just because others don't treat life and liberty with respect, doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level on a permanent basis. Again, I do not believe that we will be successful in reaching extremists and radicals by talk and a change of heart. It might work for some, but I fear most are far to closed off to even want to make the move. What I am concentrating my solution proposal is to end the cycle of creating new terrorists and you have to do that by introducing new and valid ideas, not just taking away the only idea that was presented to them (no matter how wrong it might be) and leaving them with nothing.

    I am glad you are glad ;). Please provide quotes where livelychick is being any more disrespectful to conservatives and repubs, then you are by throwing all who do not subscribe to your exact pov, as liberal, whiny, terrorist loving, US hating hippies. I am not endorsing name calling, however I am human and lets face it sometimes it just gets your frustration out and it probably shows that you deeply care about a given subject. Having said that, try to take the high road, criticism does not mean disrespect and hatred, where would that leave your criticism?

    More importantly, please re-read her reply to my original question. She is proposing a similar solution to mine. You will have to take things on faith sometime, you know? Not everyone will restate the fact that evil people are usually bad, that is a given. Also given is the our soldiers die as well as innocent people, no matter how cautious you are. You can't just let your personal lousy experience with 'liberals' cloud your reasoning into thinking that anyone who is taking an opposing view to you, is just out to get you or the country they live in. I try to live by that, well I try to do so. Heck I am still talking to you, am I not? :p It would be so easy for me to throw you into the extremist bucket, but that would not be a challenge, that would be discarding the point of view that you might otherwise bring to light, as irrelevant and I would prove myself to be just as closed off as I would make you out to be.

    My question still stands, what is your long-term solution? Its okay to say that our suggestion could just work ;) Really its okay. Unless you have other ideas. Please ... the forum is wide open. :)
     
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  8. livelychick

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lywyllyn @ Mar 23 2007, 03:24 PM) [snapback]411086[/snapback]</div>
    Thanks. I'm glad someone read what I wrote! B)

    And I agree to the points you've made here, too, but didn't feel the need to repeat them, just like you succinctly stated. However, I will state my thoughts (not FACTS, but my THOUGHTS) again for those with short attention spans:
    Terrorism=bad. Ending terrorism=good. The means of ending terrorism? Not by playing whack-a-mole. One of the most successful attempts at terrorist elimination in recent history was not through brute force alone. That doesn't mean force is taken out entirely, though.
     
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  9. desynch

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    Lywyllyn, I enjoy conversing with you.
    You have good things to say.. unlike liberalchick. "Why this animosity towards liberals?" you might ask.

    To that, I say to you, Liberals frequently bash Conservatives for "violating their rights" yet they are constantly trying to enforce more taxes via more social programs, amend the Constitution to suite their liberal agenda (ie. 2nd Amendment is a BIG issue with me). Liberals claim to be "Womans Rights" yet they tolerate Muslim men who treat their women like an animal, or a piece of meat. Liberals blame America and its leaders for the current state of affairs in the Middle East, and fail to realize the fighting over there has been going on since the times of Ghengis Kahn, and maybe even before that. Liberals, to me, are completely un-American. That is my stand, and I'm sticking to it.

    If you (not you, Lywyllyn, just people in general) don't want to be called an un-American flag burning a$$hole, then stop parading around with the liberals demanding to revoke the 2nd Amendment, calling our soldiers sacrifices "waste", trying to implement Socialistic health care policies, catering to criminals (illegal immigrants, etc), claiming only uneducated people are in Iraq, constantly bashing/blaming the President for everything, claiming to have the end all solution yet failing to provide it... etc... etc.. I could go on and on why I have a very strong disliking for liberals.. I really could. They even go on saying how our forefathers lacked foresight. They claim to know and understand the Constitution yet the ignore all surrounding documents that explain its intentions and purpose. To me, liberals are an ememy of our free state. Sorry, thats my stance.

    Now, one would try to lump me in with being a Republican, which is far from the truth. I have never voted for Bush, or any Republican for that matter. I am a REAL Conservative.. not one of these psuedo-Conservatives that get elected by Gay-Bashing and catering to Christian extremists.. I truly desire to preserve our great nation, as our forefathers intended. I will not let some liberal donkey disarm me. I will not change my way of life to cater to a bunch of suicidial Muslim fundamnetalists. I will not tolerate the abuse and torment Muslim women face under Sharia law.

    Look at France, they were "tolerant" to these Muslim Fundamentalists.. They fought so hard to keep a McDonalds from coming up on every corner.. now, after catering to these Muslim Fundies, they have Mosques everywhere.. and suicide bombings, and neighborhoods whose residnets have implenented Sharia law (hence record stores being blown up and innocents being murdered.. BY MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS). I WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN IN AMERICA.

    Some people, I'm sure, several people on this forum will find me appauling and some sort of an "Extremist".. the truth is that I am as much as an extremist as the men that created this fine country. It is the liberal agenda that wants to trample on what was set up by our forefathers.. How am I an extremist for wanting to CONSERVE our way of life and not take a big s**t on it because it's "For the Children".. or "Think about the Muslims feelings" ..

    Now, to your question.. What plan of action do *I* think we should take.. how can we STOP Muslim Fanatics (I saw fanatics lightly, as it is the Muslims that follow the book literally that are the problem).. I'll tell you.

    #1 Close the Borders.
    #2 CLOSE THE BORDERS. STOP ALLOWING UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE
    INTO OUR COUNTRY.
    #3 Stop the work visa program, stop allowing people from terrorist
    territories from entering the country to "work". We're at war, we
    don't need people from those countries here. Send them home.
    #4 Annhilate the countries that support terrorism. Take them over,
    setup a Democracy, standardized education, voting, entertainment,
    remove Sharia law..
    #5 IN NO WAY IS ANYONE TO TOLERATE ISLAMOFACISTS. Mandate
    that anyone with information regarding the where-abouts of an
    Islamofacist MUST come forward or face prosecution for harboring
    terrorists.

    In other words... get HARDER. Squash the cock roaches. Setup a clean environment in which the cockroaches will not thrive, and keep at it until the cock roaches have no place to live. Bush said this would be a long war, and he meant it.

    No negotations. No sympathy. No tolerance. They have none for us, so why do liberals give it to them?
     
    #89 desynch, Mar 23, 2007
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