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  1. austingreen

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    Not without waivers from the EPA to allow their extra pollution. Given that the xl1, which is much better than these cars has only sold 250 units, I doubt many would have been bought if forced on the road, and 2002 was clearly impossible.
    The bolding is mine, but feel free to read the article from the time of the program. Yes diesels were sold in 2002 and are still polluting and stinking on the road. I believe the jetta diesel was one of the most popular, but people didn't really want these. It got 45 mpg on diesel in the old epa, but NOx and particulates were quite high. To reduce emissions on these "supercars" or super wastes of money, pollution went higher than the cars vw and mercedes sold.
    Fuel Economy
    From that moldy car and driver article from the time the government was starting to cut off the diesel prototypes of pngv -
    That seemed to be saying at the time, why would anyone pay for one of these cars when they could get a gen I prius? I don't think you would have chosen a precept, ESX3 or prodegy.

    Absolutely. I had read the technology assessment a long time ago. Before a single prototype was presented, it was well known that none of the cars would meet Emissions standards at the time. I figure instead of presenting one of the assessments about what went wrong, you might be enlightened by thoughts at the time.

    We have the logical extension of the PGNV program, the VW XL1, which was sold in europe. I Found The Last VW XL1 For Sale In All Of Spain
    Oh and one other bit of trivia about those 2002 diesel standards that the pgnv couldn't meet. VW advertised about the new clean diesel with SCR and UL sulfur fuel not smelling. Their 2002 diesel exhaust did smell. How clean do you think it was?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    a conservative company might make announcements about it in order to slow consumers switching to less conservative companies.
     
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    bwilson4web i3 and Prime

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    It is a shame none of the 2001, PNGV vehicles were even given a chance to be sold in the USA market:
    year Prius Precept Prodigy ESX-3 Fuel Cell(1)
    1 1999 0 0 0 0 0
    2 2000 5562 0 0 0 0
    3 2001 15556 0 0 0 0
    4 2002 20119 0 0 0 0
    5 2003 24600 0 0 0 0
    6 2004 53991 0 0 0 0
    7 2005 107897 0 0 0 0
    8 2006 106971 0 0 0 0
    9 2007 181221 0 0 0 0
    10 2008 158574 0 0 0 0
    11 2009 139682 0 0 0 0
    12 2010 140928 0 0 0 0

    (1) Only available via lease like the ill fated EV1.

    The three PNGV vehicles used existing technology that could be sold using the EPA/CARB standards of the day. These PNGV hybrid cars at ~72 MPG versus the contemporary ~36 MPG diesels would have half the emissions rate, 36/72 ~= 0.5. Sure, they would have been expensive, a familiar complaint lodged against the early Prius and todays +$100k Tesla.

    Canceling the PNGV pretty well let the USA manufactures take a 10 year holiday and even today, they are trying to catch up. They effectively spawned Tesla and sold over a million Prius. The irony is Toyota is today's leading fuel cell car vendor for that island of hydrogen stations in California.

    Just another case of defeat being snatched from the jaws of victory.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Yeah, there are lots of announcements from the car companies over the years that were just press releases without any intention of doing anything. I remember when every car would be a hybrid... I remember when the Volt technology would be available in more vehicles than just the Volt...
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The Volt system is used in the Malibu hybrid.
    Toyota has expanded their selection of hybrids, and companies like Hyundai are now making them.
    The public shares part of the blame in there not being more by choosing less fuel efficient models when gas is cheap.
     
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