Some insider notes on the 2017 Prius Prime

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  1. jnpSacto

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    I'll bet it is because of the extra 300 pounds that the Prime weighs over the standard Prius. 3 passengers in the back (and 2 up front) would probably overload the vehicle, especially filled with us overweight Americans!
     
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    that must be it.(y) i'm going on a diet starting tomorrow.:oops:
     
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    Yes, there's about a 3" drop from cargo area to the back of the rear seat when it's down. Kinda odd to me too.
     
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    I get that Toyota had to save weight and therefore ditched the 5. seat in order to be the most efficient Plug-in Hybrid on the planet,but they could at least work on the location of the battery.
    Any news yet when that is going to happen ?
    Do we really have to wait for the next gen. ?
    All they need to do is take an Ioniq Plug-in apart !
    Hyundai managed the placement of the battery perfectly,without having to compromise on boot space !
     
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    agreed, but no word that i have seen. i think they are selling enough to not care.

    does hunday have independent rear suspension?
     
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    Hyundai uses lithium polymer. That's brings about a thermal & power tradeoff. Do you want that?
     
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    What does this mean? The batteries in the Prime are also Lithium Polymer as well. That's because LiPo and Li-Ion are just generic terms for a few different chemistries. They mean the same thing though some people (wrongly) use the term "LiPo" for pouch cells and "Li-ion" for cylindrical cells.
     
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    There are chemistry differences. But the more obvious is how does Hyundai keep there's cool?

    Prime's pack allows a 68 kW draw. That's enough for a full EV accelerate and electric-heating.
     
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    I use LiPo's in my model airplanes, and the equivalent draw there is more than 5x more than from the Prime batteries (normalizing for size, obviously).
     
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    I can't imagine their service-life being anywhere near as long. The tradeoff in that case would be weight, shape, and power benefit.
     
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    Toy planes don't have 100's of Lbs of cells next to e/other where they can overheat easily too. Just saying - there are lots of other considerations ... many of which I'm certainly no expert on. Although polymer have less tendency to be dangerously volatile.
    YEP .... Trade offs
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    Usually not, but if they're properly maintained, they last a good while. My current set are on their 5th season.

    Other way around. Our cells are stacked with no cooling between cells. For example, I use 3 and 6 cell LiPo's in my planes, and the center cell of the 3-cell stack isn't exposed on either side. And we draw much more equivalent power from them.

    For example, the 8.8kWh Prime battery can max at (apparently) 68kW, which is 68/8.8 = 7.7C (7.7 times its capacity). My most demanding model can draw 95A from a 3.3Ah battery which is 95/3.3 = 28.8C, and they are not cooled.
     
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    That tangent doesn't seem to have any relevance to Hyundai. Do you have any data about its operation?
     
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    But what chemistry do they use? There are major chemistry differences quite separate from the pouch vs cylindrical construction difference.

    I hope no one confuses LiPo being a pouch construction with LiFePO being a particular chemistry.
     
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    I don't know the chemistry as the manufacturers don't say. Lithium Iron Phosphate's are just called "LiFe" (pronounced "life") in our hobby. They're used as well but for other purposes than propulsion.
     
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    fair enough - but your prius / hyundai / kia / volt etc packs don't just come out to play in fair weather - & operate in the windy sky for a realtively short time. The car's pack will bake sitting on hot 140° asplalt - sometimes for weeks or days on many occasions - & it will have to regularly run hard for (sometimes) 4 - 6 - 8 or more hot hours then maybe do it again - day in & day out. If I had to be a battery in a phev or a remote control hobby plane, I know which I would rather be.

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    The car. That's why car batteries last 3 times longer (15 years vs 5) and endure 10 times as many cycles (4,000 vs 400) - because they are better cared for.

    I regularly charge my batteries at 2C (full charge in 30 minutes, 30% to 100% in 20 minutes) and I always charge to a float voltage of 4.2V (the car limits float to much less which is why max charge is 83% in John's videos). I've used them on 15 degree days and 100 degree days. I sometimes put 5 hard cycles (100% to 30% in 3 minutes) on them in one day.
     
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