Standardized per kWh quotes on this forum

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  1. Marine Ray

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    It's great reading everyone's insight and wisdom on this forum. Priuschat has been a lifesaver both for my Gen III and now Prime.

    Oftentimes I read other member's quotes on their cost per kWh to charge their Prime. I always tell folks 5 cents/kWh for me to charge my Prime. Here's my Jan 2019 bill from Nevada Energy. All the other fees/charges (Basic Fee, Universal Energy Fee, etc) would be there anyway just because that is the cost of having electricity to my house. I am off base by quoting 5 cents/kWh to charge my Prime?

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    Do you have a separate meter for EVSE?
     
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    No, just the house. It's a "Time of Use" plan. The rate highlighted is from 2200-0800.
     
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    Oh, OK. That means, your are consuming electricity for things other than PRIME during that time period albeit very little guessing from the amount you use for the rest of house during a day. In any case, if you are charging your car during that 2200-0800 window, it seems your rate is ~5 cents/kWh. Although the actual cost is little bit more like 5.8 cents/kWh, if you include other fees and taxes. I envy you. Our electric rate is ~20 cents/kWh with no regard to time of day, all year around, and our household uses ~8x more electricity than yours without counting PRIME charging. :cry:
     
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    Thx. Yes, I consider myself fortunate. I think those in the Northwest even pay less (due to hydroelectric?)
     
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    In my state, we actually pay more for hydro and other renewable electricity sources.
     
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    All items in the EV block that are based on kWh must be included. For your EV, that means 6 lines items must be added (or subtracted, for the Tax Reduction line). Then be sure it figure in the 5% Local Government Fee too. I'm coming up with 5.81 cents/kWh.

    The Basic Service Charge is the only item that is fixed, independent of how much you use, so it is the only item to be left out of kWh-cost calculations.
     
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    Thx. I'll start communicating 6 cents/kWh.
     
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    or bill is entirely kWh based. there is no minimum or service charge. so i take the amount i write the check for and divide its by total kwh consumed to get my 24 cents/ hr.
     
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    Also, ensure that this doesn't change with time of year. Your bill shows the winter rates, and many utilities have higher summer (peak) rates.
     
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    Is your bill the same amount per KWh for all KWh used? If not, then you should use the rate for the last KWhs, as these are the KWh used to charge. The previous KWh were the baseload for your house.
     
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    yes, the same amount for all kWh. no tiered pricing. time of use, nada.

    they break down all the different costs on the bill such as generation, transmission, etc. but that's just so they can skirt the public utilities commission and raise prices whenever they please.
     
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    That is not quite how it works. There is a regulated basis for all those charges.
     
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    Maybe true for Nebraska, but for MA and other states with deregulated utility, at least some part of electricity rate is determined by a free market competition. Deregulation suppose to lower the cost to consumers, but it really did not for us.
     
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    I don't follow how this raises your rates. Is your power company buying and selling power into a local or regional power pool?

    It looks like residents have the option of choosing whom to buy their power from as well.
     
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    Yap. In deregulated utility market, production and distribution are still managed by the utility, but supply is handled by independent suppliers. They buy wholesale, and sell to consumers. As a consumer, I can pick and choose who supplies my electricity, thus the rate can change any time for any reason if my contract dose not have a locked in rate. Here is something to read: Utilities in Deregulated Markets – Electric Choice
     
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    I still am not following how competition in the market raises prices.

    If you sign up with a supplier for your power, it appears you can get a fixed price for some length of time. At the end of that period, can't you just go find another fixed price contract?
     
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    Yes. But at the end of contract, if you can't find anyone offering for less, you have to choose one higher or continue with what you have. Some supplier impose early termination fee while others have monthly variable rate (very risky). In any case, I just have not seen any reduction in electric rate in our household since the deregulation some years ago.
     
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    I don't think anybody in any market has seen a reduction in electric rates over that same time period (since 2005?). Regulated or otherwise. Costs go up every year, and so do prices. I was averaging 7.8 cents/Kwh (all charges) in 2005, now it's 13 cents/KWh in 2019. That's with a regulated utility.

    Just about every cost associated with producing electricity has gone up - labor, materials, fuel, land, insurance, regulations, etc.
     
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    True. The point is that in deregulated market the rate can go up or down month to month, and can be very unpredictable. Here is very good information on regulated vs. deregulated market differences.
    Retail Electric Rates in Deregulated and Regulated States, 2017
    According to this info, deregulated states always have had higher average rate than regulated states. There were years (2008-2012) when deregulated states managed to lower the rate while national average kept going up.
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