Featured Tesla goes even more Ludicrous

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by hill, Aug 24, 2016.

  1. Air_Boss

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    Good to see the KoolAid is still flowing.
     
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    I pretty sure the S and X share the same pack.

    The Model 3 will likely share a similar internal structural and cooling design as the new 100 kWh pack but it will probably be specific to the Model 3 platform, have a different exterior size, and will use the new 21700 size cells from the GF.

    The newly announced 100 kWh pack for the S and X uses a new interior design but uses the same 18650 size cells as the 90 kWh pack and is the same exterior size. The Model 3 may share its pack with the future Model Y CUV.

    The Bolt EV is said to add about 25 miles of EPA range every hour at 30-32A and fully recharges from empty in 9 hours. Or, it can charge slowly at 120V or charge to 80% full in an hour using a CCS DC charger.

    The P100D pack is using the existing cells used in the P90D but the interior layout and cooling system for the pack was redesigned so they could pack in a few more cells. In the future, there will likely be a variant of this new design for the S and X that uses the new wider and slightly taller 21700 cells from the new Gigafactory.

    Yes, and I managed to get in:

    Tesla Throws a Gigaparty

    They weren't producing cells yet during the opening event and likely haven't started yet. They still had more equipment to install in the cathode making area. We weren't shown the anode making area or final cell assembly area so it's hard to judge how close they are to beginning test cell production. My guess is that they are still quite a few weeks away. They only committed to producing enough cells for making test and development battery packs by the end of the year.

    Right now the only production work at the GF is the assembly of Tesla Energy products like Powerwall and Powerpack using imported cells.

    The GF construction is roughly on its original schedule and won't be fully completed until closer to 2020. The main thing that has changed is not the pace of the building construction but rather the contents of the buildings.

    Tesla and Panasonic have been closely collaborating and redesigning the layout and installation of equipment in order to pack more battery production capability into less factory area. That means they can have the battery production volume originally scheduled for 2020 in 2018 even though the GF complex is still far short of completion.
     
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  4. Lee Jay

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    I'm not a "long hauler", I drive 11 miles to work, and most of my family is within 25 miles or so, with a few at 120 miles with two Supercharger stations along the way. But my car needs to be able to take me on any trip I'm likely to go on, and that will include national parks and going through the mountains, etc. Not being able to do that reduces the value of the BEV by an amount equal to the cost of the other car I have to own to cover those trips.
     
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    thanks! the only problem with this chart is the 80% rule. things really slow down after that. also, any idea on the difference between the 3 level 2 chargers, is it amperage? if so, jeff's 25 miles/hour above makes sense, at least to 150 miles or so. either way, i'd have 200 miles ready to go every morning.
     
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    you will likely be a 'late' adopter.:cool:
     
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    I wonder, if I'd say things like, "I need to cross the United States on one charge up and back (though i'll only do that 2x in my entire life) and - get a lap dance simultaneously, while the solar panel in the roof auto charges in 90 seconds - only then will I adopt an EV" if I realized manufacturers might just consider me an outlier - & not really care about me, as the one 10-thousandth of 1% .... nah i'm certain everybody wants to hear me.

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    some people see a bev as their daily driver, some see it as a second car. some see it as necessary to cover 99% of their driving, and some, 100%. eventually, we'll all get what we want.
     
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    Which 3 level 2 chargers; I count 6 on that table?
    Amperage is the main difference in terms of charge time.
    Residential EVSE: Charging Stations for residential use | ClipperCreek
     
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    You could always just rent a car for those rare super long trips.
     
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    No way ! ! !
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    I looked into that one time. Looking at nearly a thousand dollars. And they aren't that rare (about 20 times a year I take a car trip you couldn't do in a Model S). Those are mostly shorter and thus cheaper for rental, but rental is a major hassle.
     
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    I pre-ordered my 2004 Prius. It is cost-effective and capable. A Tesla is neither.
     
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    can't argue with that. compromises, compromises.
     
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    ever thought about having someone else do your car rental shopping for you? We semi-anually rent from Enterprise for $19/day - unlimited mileage. Your quoted price would get us 1½ years of rental days at that rate. Maybe there's a lot more time out on the road traveling than one realizes ... or who knows ....maybe that actually IS a real cost ..... for renting 2 fully optioned suburbans.
    Heck - i've priced boutique rental companies that'll do a model S for $140/day. That $1,000 rate would let you take a 7 day trip next time in a nice model S ! The company we used to rent an S shows even lower preces in many cities ;
    Tesla Model S Rental in Austin, TX — Turo

    Baahh - never mind - best to not stretch one's horizons

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    Last week I rented from Enterprise - $131 for one day, but that included a drop charge. The rate was $59.99 a day for economy, which doesn't replace a Prius. A midsize was $62.99 a day and on a two week trip, it would use $200 more gas than a Prius.

    Might want to check that math.
     
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    Different geography. Different loads, Different needs/wants. Different budgets. Different tolerances for inconvenience. Different valuing of "the new".

    But all valuing efficiency and the environment.

    I don't drive the higher MPG hybrid because my needs are different than it would provide. Thus the wagon form factor but at least it is a hybrid and twice the MPG of my prior car.
     
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    You're right, My bad - in my own defense, I'd just downed a huge margarita

    So it would "only" be 50 days or so of rental days, after all the taxes & such.
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    While the energy transfer may tail off in a battery charge, the hours stated in the chart sure seem to be what I have observed so far. The Volt has a neat indicator that blinks either 1, 2, 3, or 4 times as the battery is 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, and 4/5 charged. When fully charged, the indicator is solid green. This progression has been very even. My feeling is the non-linear charging is not too pronounced at level 1 and 2 chargers but is really pronounced for really high charging rates.
     
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    Sorry for being the dummy today but even with Mr. Google I have yet to find the engineering specs for the new cells. I'd even be interested in the current Tesla cells.

    My interest is in follow-up on a LiON style, Gen-1 or Gen-2/3 replacement traction battery.

    Engineering specs anyone?

    Bob Wilson
     
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