Featured Tesla goes even more Ludicrous

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by hill, Aug 24, 2016.

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    No, they can't. And they don't want to. Line up 100 top-tier wealthy people and ask them if time is of no concern to them in life. I'd be shocked if you got 5 to say that.

    Just like money is no object to the wealthy, it's just not true. Most got where they are by making the most of their time, and being tight (smart) with their money.
     
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    It isn't large compared to the buffer in a Volt or Tesla.

    Lithium is actually quite common. It is more a question of there being profit in getting it.

    Same for the rare earth used in magnets. Then Tesla doesn't use rare earth magnets, so it isn't a concern for them.

    Yep.

    It's better than a hydrogen FCEV. You can at least charge from nearly any outlet if you did get too far from the fast charge network.

    Stormtroopers are going to come to your door to replace your gasser with a BEV. A plug in won't meet everybodies' needs and wants. In that case, don't buy one.
     
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    percentage wise?
     
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    They likely don't go on long road trips with little kids in the back for vacations. They jet to Hawaii and leave the kids at a resort.
     
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    That they willingly wait around for an hour on the Interstate to charge their pricey EV, when they could fill in three minutes and drive further in a hybrid, speaks volumes to the contrary.
     
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    Wow, this thread has turned into a how-to on troll-ism.
     
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    The irrationality of Tesla apologists never disappoints.
     
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    And the Lithium batteries don't use rare earth metals unlike the older NiMH hybrid batteries. Tesla is planning to fully recycle used lithium packs at their Gigafactory in Nevada because doing so is expected to be cheaper than buying new raw materials.
     
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    similarly the outlying uber minority "it'll never work for my multi 450mile daily drive & I'd never wait to charge 20 minute" people. Good for them. And next time they say it .... again & again - good for them. It's great they donate my time to continually repeat it - yet charging wastes precious minutes. Oh the irony.

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    Please post stats to support these huge numbers of wealthy people standing around doing nothing but charging their cars.
     
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    '20 minutes'? Tesla dead-enders could only wish....
     
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    Stats? Use your eyes, man. They have to plan their meals around recharging anxiety outbreaks.
     
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    I said my daily commute is 11 miles each way. In-town, a Tesla is just fine (overkill, actually - 80 miles is just fine too), but I don't just use my car to stay in town. The Supercharger system, in it's current state, is still unsuitable for most road trips without significant diversion, significant delay, or just a flat inability to get somewhere without a tow.

    At home and around town, 120V charging is just fine. A friend of mine has had a Leaf for three years and has never had it on anything but 120V charging at home. But he doesn't leave the city. On a road-trip, a typical gas-stop is just long enough for everyone to use the bathroom (less than 8 minutes), and the idea that you can just eat while your car is at the Supercharger station assumes the place you want to eat is at the Supercharger station, which is a patently ridiculous assumption. On my most recent road trip, we at within one mile of a Supercharger station once. Most of our restaurant breaks were 40-350 miles from a Supercharger station.
     
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    I live in MN, so from what I see of EV drivers, nobody is standing around doing anything. They charge at home, and drive to/from work, period.

    Recognizing that I live in fly-over territory, I ask for data. It's not a matter of opening my eyes, I'm genuinely looking for data (surely it exists) from these charging stations.
     
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    you're right of course. No one stops to eat & pee, nearing 300 miles. Gotta keep going. You know, on those drives you do multiple times a week. The both of you. It's not about the other 998 who are doing their charging at home >90% of the time anyway.

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    What good is ">90% of the time" for the other <10%? The other 10% is the problem with BEVs!

    I'm amazed people would spend 6 figures on a car that can't take them anywhere they might want to go in the country.
     
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    You're right. People that can afford a 6-figure car are so strapped for cash that planning ahead by a couple hours and renting a car is completely out of the question.
     
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    good for you! Carry on! Stupid ev enthusiasts that don't know the advantage of gas;
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    Stick to your guns!
    No - not the jihadists' guns paid for via petrodollars - killing people because we're in their oil rich countries. It's not about petrol cost respiratory deaths either. It's all about me and easy and the "now" and MY freedom ... carry on how long range ev's aren't cheep enough yet - for meeee ! I hear ya!
    We'll worry about fossil fuel depletion when it gets here. Plan for tomorrow when we get to tomorrow - that's what I say. After all, "worry about planning for tomorrow" sure worked great in New Orleans;
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    What you just said has nothing to do with what I said.

    My model-aircraft have been all-electric since 1986 when state-of-the-art was NiCd and brushed Cobalt DC motors.

    I'm a power electrical-engineer, specializing in power-electronics and electric machines.

    I've spent almost my entire career working in renewable energy and energy system research.

    I've owned main-power batteries of Nickel-Cadmium, Nickel-Metal-Hydride, Lithium Ion and Lithium Polymer types. I use them hundreds of times a year.

    I started driving early EVs in the 90s when they had Lead-Acid batteries. I've ridden in modern EVs and modern H2FC vehicles.

    I'm the last person you know who supports the idea of never-ending fossil fuel use.

    The problem is, BEVs are the wrong answer until batteries are 5-10x better than the best of today. They are over-weight, over-cost, under-performing (in an energy and charging sense), low-reliability devices. When you can get batteries at 1,000Wh/kg, 10,000 cycles and 30 years of calendar life for $30/kWh, then BEVs will make sense for wide-spread use. Until then (or nearly then), they are niche vehicles for limited use.
     
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    Funny that someone so smart believes in the notion there's a silver bullet - or that because ev development isn't fast enough for YOU - that the interim development speed can be workable for so many. As engineer bob frequently says here, perfect is the enemy of good enough (for now). No one's trying to diswade your notions - but don't feel bad when many know otherwise. Still, when disney's Eor tries to convince the many who know present day ev's are good enough in the interim prior to 'better', don't be surprised when many here joke around with the idea "oh nooo it will never work ... mize well give up."

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