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Tesla is doomed: Model 3 - 77,550, Model S/X - 17,650

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  1. hill

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    No. That IS a significant increase, on it's own. However, it is not really all that impressive if, in fact, Tesla has a monopoly. All it means is that Tesla has finally broken into the market.
     
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    how can it be a monopoly when 'competition is coming at them from all angles'? :p

    but to your point, what's wrong with breaking into the market? it is extremely impressive if you unbiasedly research how many new car companies have been started, how many failed, and how the remaining ones are doing.
    it's also extremely impressive when you consider tesla has been trying to convert people away from their cheap gas addiction, not an easy task.

    anyone mention how other mfg's did in the second quarter, in relation to their size?
     
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    Per your previous comment: "there is no competition to date."

    And there is nothing wrong with breaking into the market. The show has only just begun.
     
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    correct, shows you where the writer is coming from. how can you not be impressed considering the hurdles they have overcome?
     
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    As I said, "on it's own" it is impressive (significant)... ...just not for a monopoly.
     
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    what would be impressive for a monopoly?

    you do realize they have production and delivery limitations? and cash limitations?
     
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    My question is how is it a monopoly :cool:?

    This is not a public utility. This is free enterprise with open competition ;).

    So for Tesla to be in the position they are, is notable(y).
     
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    i guess if you're making a product no one wants, no one bothers to compete with you.

    which makes 70,000 unwanted products sold even more impressive :)
     
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    I know I pass haulers out here all the time carrying Tesla’s to who knows where;).

    Maybe it’s just out to NV for “storage”:sick:.

    Where’s @hill ’s picture of the Mirai lot right about now:whistle:?
     
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    I wouldn't want put a number on it, but I would have to see a significant increase in the per capita Tesla population. If I saw a quarter of Prius population over a decade, now THAT would be impressive.

    Also (for Raytheeagle). Rockefeller wasn't a public utility either.
     
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    And what alternatives were there to Kerosene or Gasoline:whistle:?

    When do you think we’ll be solely reliant on BEV’s? And is Tesla the only source of BEV’s?

    My guess is not in my lifetime (I’m 37). We’ll see progress in my lifetime toward all BEV’s (or other solutions) but to completely get away from all petroleum propelled fleets will require significant investment ;).

    We ain’t there yet(y).
     
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    Rockefeller got there the first and then bought out the competition.

    Tesla got there the first, but cannot buy out the competition due to anti-trust. They can succeed on innovation for a time, but sooner or later success will depend on their business acumen. Few overachievers can do this (Howard Hughes and Henry Ford being exceptions).
     
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    Hymn, @ice9 has a strange memory of Tesla and the history of EVs in the USA.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    should I stop by the Backlot to see if any of them have moved during the past months? No promises - this being the start of a holiday weekend, & less than a ½hr till i hit the holiday traffic. Little or no Mirai movement could be pretty telling. Sad, but telling
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    Meaning?...
     
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    my accountant told me he used to audit a car dealer who moved some inventory off the lot by driving it around until the counting was done :eek:
     
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    You can't be a monopoly when nobody else is choosing to compete, and you aren't taking measures to keep them out of the market. Musk opened up Tesla's patent books years before Toyota did with their hybrid material. The company's goal is to show that people want BEVs in order to goad the majors into competing with them, and some are beginning too.
     
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    Around town with home charging, perhaps. But try to take a cross country drive with those dogs . . . H*LL NO!

    My experience with a BMW i3-REx has revealed that EVgo and Electrify America are not cost effective compared to a Tesla and SuperChargers. I have benchmark data if you need to see them.

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    That's because they are independent companies that need to cover their expenses, including licensing fees to CHAdeMO, and make a profit. Unlike gas stations, they can't sell the fuel at near cost and live off other income streams. They only have a couple parking spots for that.

    The Supercharging network isn't Tesla's sole source of profit. They can set prices at a rate that allows the network to support itself. The accountants can also count some of the cars' margins for the network.

    It has got to be tough for the other charger networks. Relying on car companies to sell cars that most have no interest in.
     
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