Tesla leads in Autopilot software development.

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  1. el Crucero

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    What is the purpose of this thread?
     
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    To Troll Toyota.

    Anyway, Toyota doesn't carry the responsibility of the deaths of humans because of faulty self driving software.

    Any sane person that looks at the Tesla financials will-would immediately short TSLA.
    If TSLA were to change the terrible financial indicators, any sane person would not short TSLA.(if musk were gone)
     
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    you mean like raising 2.7 billion from some far left wing nuts?
     
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    I was afraid this might go political.
     
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    Fiat/Chrysler will eventually end up with Tesla.
     
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    I probably would have started with:

    There are some difficult to understand but fascinating technology involved. For example, object identification from a video stream. This is a hard problem.

    One question I had is why binocular video was not used. Yet ‘Magiceye’ is also monocular. My understanding is distance is calculated as a result of object recognition. This is not trivial.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    When there is movement involved stereo-vision is not needed.
     
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    Cry-slaw?
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    Autopilot ..... because yer too $hip faced to find your way home.
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    ETC(SS) The other One Percenter.....

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    Autopilot:
    "We bet YOUR life."

    I applaud Tesla for spearheading this emerging technology but I still think it's going to be a little while before you whistle up a Johnny Cab or let HAL 9000 drive you home after one too many pops at the ballgame.
    Granted, some of the tech will let octogenarians keep their driver's licenses past their shelf date, and I like the idea of cars buffering some of the activities of young drivers who think that Fast and Furious is a documentary...

    However (comma!) there are still regulatory, and privacy AS WELL AS technological hurtles that will have to be navigated before this is all ready for Prime time.
    We live in a world where Boeing is having trouble with autopilot and companies like Facebook are BEGGING dot.gov to put some guard rails up.

    Regulatory issues will sort themselves out eventually, and dot.gov always leans heavy in that arena but the tech is still troubling.
    Autonomous Aircraft are a MUCH lower hurtle, since traffic separation is usually measure in miles, and there are far fewer objects up there to recognize and avoid.
    A cash starved company (TSLA) or a cash hungry company (Boeing) might put their thumbs on the scale where a decision is required over, for example, stereo sensors for object recognition....to use just that one example.
    We ALREADY live in a world where got.gov has to rely on dot.com for technical expertise for regulatory decisions because the folks out on the sharp end of the stick lean towards having an email address ending with.........dot.com.
    Talent goes where the money is.
    This isn't just a Boeing problem.
    Airbus has had at least one high-profile hull-loss accident involving autopilots too, and since then there have been calls in the industry to make pilots MORE involved in doing the stick and rudder thing rather than being ever more dependent on Robbie the Robot.
    Ironically enough....Boeing has always maintained more of a pilot's culture but they're getting pushed further into more complex autopilot system for fuel and cost savings - something that the aircraft OPERATORS are insisting on.

    Finally, there are ethical issues that are going to have to sort themselves out that we've only begun to scratch the surface of- and not just with Tesla's CEO.
    When does your auto-pilot act as YOUR agent and what happens when there is a conflict between YOUR safety and a bus load of school kids?
    Who makes that coin toss?
    Will automobiles ever be truly autonomous or will they be tethered to the builder by wireless?
    When are software updates voluntary and when are they a pay-to-play subscription scheme?

    In 1942, Azimov gave us three fictitious laws of robotics that have engrained themselves somewhat in our culture:
    1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
    2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
    3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
    Those of us who have read the book might remember that even these three laws lend themselves to some interesting dilemmas.
    In 2011, research councils in Great Britan came up with a set of five ethical "principles for designers, builders and users of robots" in the real world:
    1. Robots should not be designed solely or primarily to kill or harm humans. (oops!)
    2. Humans, not robots, are responsible agents. Robots are tools designed to achieve human goals.
    3. Robots should be designed in ways that assure their safety and security.
    4. Robots are artifacts; they should not be designed to exploit vulnerable users by evoking an emotional response or dependency. It should always be possible to tell a robot from a human.
    5. It should always be possible to find out who is legally responsible for a robot.

    Interesting times ahead....
     
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    tesla is just one of many companies working on autonomous driving. resistance is futile
     
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    Here are a few more from:
    https://www.cars.com/articles/which-cars-have-self-driving-features-for-2018-1420699785509/

    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 BMW 5 Series
    2018 BMW 5 Series plug-in hybrid (530e)
    2018 BMW 7 Series
    2018 BMW 7 Series plug-in hybrid (740e)
    2018 BMW X3
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise control with hands-free steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Cadillac CT6
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Acura RLX
    2018 Acura RLX Hybrid
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise control with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Mercedes-Benz C-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz C-Class plug-in hybrid (C350e)
    2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz GLC-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz GLC plug-in hybrid (GLC 350e)
    2018 Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz GLE plug-in hybrid (GLE 550e)
    2018 Mercedes-Benz GLS-Class
    2018 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Infiniti QX50
    2018 Nissan Leaf
    2018 Nissan Rogue
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise control with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Tesla Model 3
    2018 Tesla Model S
    2018 Tesla Model X
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Lexus GS
    2018 Lexus GS Hybrid
    2018 Lexus LC
    2018 Lexus LC Hybrid
    2018 Lexus LS
    2018 Lexus LS Hybrid
    2018 Lexus RX
    2018 Lexus RX Hybrid
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Audi A4/A4 Allroad/S4
    2018 Audi A5/S5/RS 5
    2018 Audi Q5/SQ5
    2018 Audi Q7
    . . .
    Stop-and-go adaptive cruise with lane-centering steering all the way to a stop:

    2018 Volvo S90
    2018 Volvo V90
    2018 Volvo V90 Cross Country
    2018 Volvo XC60
    2018 Volvo XC60 plug-in hybrid
    2018 Volvo XC90
    2018 Volvo XC90 plug-in hybrid

    Looks like we're not alone.

    Bob Wilson
     
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