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    Tesla Model 3 LR Vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: Fast Charging Comparison
     
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    With my Std Rng Plus Model 3:
    • 1st drive of day - +220 miles or 3.5 hours
    • Biology break and fast food
    • 20-30 minute charge and eat
    • 2-2.5 hours 120-180 miles
    Repeat the last three steps until destination or free charging and free breakfast motel.

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    Since we're apparently posting irrelevant things, mine goes like this:

    2.5 hour drive
    Stop at a rest area and walk around for 10-15 minutes
    1.5 hour drive
    Lunch at a not-fast-food restaurant
    2 hour drive
    Fill the tank in 8 minutes with at least 150 miles of range remaining for emergencies
    3 hour drive
    Over 600 miles completed, over 300 miles of range remaining for emergencies
     
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    My question is, how is Hyundai doing this? Do they use lower-energy higher-power batteries? Better cooling? Allowing more battery damage when fast charging?

    I'd like to know answers if Hyundai ever releases any technical information.
     
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    I expect next years models of the standard range plus will move similarly to the less expensive Chinese battery chemistry lithium iron phosphate. This will charge slower but should still be fast enough for people like us. I think the lower price will get more people using these superchargers and build out the network.

    I found it interesting that the new chemistry for the long range pack charges slower than my older chemistry. It is more energy dense though. I can see them simply adding more battery and range to this more expensive battery as they drive costs down. Old pack 8.3 miles/minute epa highway in 20%-80% charge, new pack 26 minutes 8.1 miles/minute.

    The hyundai does not yet have cars to test so they used theoretical with only wltp available for the hyundai. That gives 12.4 miles per minute on the ioniq 5 wltp, versus 9.4 miles per minute in the long range model 3 - 20%-80%. At the end of 15 minutes on the hyundai you would have added 186 miles of wltp range, but would need 20 minutes in the 2021 tesla long range. At the end of 26 minutes the long range would add 244. After this 80% both cars slow down. You charge to 100% before these long drives, then 70%-90% at the chargers to keep times lower.

    I don't know about you, but all things being equal, I don't think that 20 minutes versus 15 minutes is going to make a big difference to me, especially since I can watch netflix or play video games on my car while waiting. For other people that 15 minutes is way to long or 186 mile added range too little. Glad hyundai is in the game though. The more bev options the better.
     
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    People have tested them:


    It does to me. Actually, maybe not since both are so long as to be *excruciating*. But maybe 5 fewer minutes of pain is better than nothing.

    The reasons the Ionic 5 interests me way more than any Tesla have nothing to do with charging, however. Mainly, having an actual dash and a HUD plus reportedly more comfortable suspension and fewer stupid features like having to roll the windows down to get the door open.
     
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    Nice so a blogger has one and did a non repeatable test. I didn't think I needed to say it, but what I meant was we don't have organizations doing repeatable tests that they do to other cars. The ioniq 5 still doesn't have an epa range. It will but for now we can only guestimate charging curves and epa highway mpge. Car and driver will get to a 75 mph highway cruising range, and insideev to a 70 mph highway cruise range as they have for other evs once they have cars to test.


    Trying to get the facts out. I really don't care at all about your personal use case. My guess is you are the only one with that use case.

    As I said in my post, which was not meant for you! More choices are good. People have different preferences. Some even want a VW post diesel gate or a gm.
     
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    Hyundai’s batteries are lithium polymer and they’re running on an 800V architecture.

    Maybe a combination of the battery chemistry and higher voltage means aggressive cooling isn’t needed?
     
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    That would be the higher-power lower-energy option. Maybe. Like I said, I have 5C-charge-rated LiPos for my model airplanes. But they are like 150Wh/kg.
     
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    little toys might just have slightly different dynamic's. Like overall weights that are weighed in ounces vs hundreds of pounds - all compacted into (proportionally speaking) smaller spaces - or, maybe running milliwatts, versus 1,000s & 1,000s of Watts. Might as well compare a bumblebee to a stealth fighter. Yea yea, most already know toys have different Dynamics then the big Appliance. Not knocking your toys that you keep rehashing, just bringing a little balance to the ad nauseam repetition.
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    They have more capacity than the individual cells in a Model S or Model 3.

    In some cases, my use is a far worse situation - compacted into a tiny space with no cooling.

    The batteries I have put out 7.5kW/kg from 100% to 15% - about 10 times that of Tesla cells.

    You don't know what you're talking about.

    You might want to learn about them. I have one plane that takes a fully-charged (100%) battery and discharges it to 15% in 2.5 minutes. Ever do that in your car?

    Model airplanes are a far more challenging application for batteries from a fast-charge/fast-discharge point of view, unless you have a car that can charge in 12 minutes and discharge in 2.5 minutes. Put another way, if a Model S battery had as much power as my model airplane batteries, it could produce 6,000 horsepower continuously from 100% to 15%.
     
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