Tesla Model 3 vs. Toyota Prius

very good comparison imo.

no squeaks or rattles is a big improvement for prius.

a little better seats in the prius? shocking!

 

In earlier times we talked a lot about extracting 'mains' power from Prius. I have not seen much of that for Tesla. Maybe because I have not looked, but it is value added for any transportation appliance.

 

@bwilson4web would be our local expert

 

No Bob, don't send this back to me. I car-camped with 2001 Prius and trivially extracted 110 VAC for espresso coffee. At peak I had >10 grad students waiting in line for their cups in Baja California Norte Mexico. I never did home power supply.

How are Tesla people back feeding their kilowatts?

 

Local power-supply grids can fail from trees thrown by wind in the warm, or ice in the cold. Modern vehicles can backfill that. Any vehicles can also do, but gas-engine idling to maintain 12 VDC supplies is inefficient. How inefficient strikes me as a Bob question.

How much more efficient are modern vehicles at that? Strikes me as a Bob question. Previous successes could be identified. As modern-vehicle fleets grow, their palliative potentials do also. They bridge to less-carbony transportation, almost everyone understands that. They can also help with power supply outages at local time and space scales. This may be a small or large thing, but I do not see that it has been carefully examined.

 

FOMOCO has some very interesting power export options.
Not sure if this is available in their curiously named Mustang Mach-E
Ford F-150 Lightning Power Export Outlets And Home Backup Power

If a truck can fit into your life and you want to score double SJW points, the Blue Oval may have you covered THERE too.
Their "Rainbow Raptor" has been trial-ballooned for a Lightning Edition by the "Built Ford Proud" team.
Not sure if this 'non-rural electrification' project will see the light of day, but my guess is that they should at least offer it as an options package.
UNLIKE the now-infamous product from Anheuser Busch, EVangelists have made some.......'current' 'market penetration' in the LGBTQIA+ community.
Ford Unveil 'Very Gay' Truck in Response to Homophobic Comment
Does Ford support LGBTQ+ communities? Built Proud explored amid Bud Light drama

How that will impact street price and availability has yet to be determined.

 

i'd be surprised if tesla didn't have 120v ac output at a fairly high amperage, but i don't recall ever reading about it. maybe the cybertruck?

 

otoh:

tesla-voids-your-warranty-power-your-home-with-electric-car-battery-pack

 

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 and 6, and the Genesis EVs, all offer Vehicle-to-Load (V2L). So do the MG4 and BYD Atto 3. In China, most BYDs and Xpengs offer it. And in the US, I'm pretty sure the F150 Lightning does. But I don't think Teslas offer V2L.

Outside of the US, those other companies offer a 240-volt outlet (I don't know if it's 110v in the US, which might be inadequate to power a house from a single EV battery). With the 240v supply, if you the right equipment on your home network, this can hook into your home to provide power supply at up to 3.5kW. So you can't run multiple air conditioners, but you can keep your refrigerator and TV running during a power cut.

 

The CYBERTRUCK?
Wasn't that thing "introduced" pre-Covid? (*)

How many have they delivered so far?

(*) 'some' people say

 

I wasn't doubting the veracity of the post, just surprised at the elephantine development of the product.

AND many other US vehicles.

I'm sort of surprised that T3s don't have them.
It's an unusual shortcoming for Tesla.

Once one of their products FINALLY makes it into production they are usually very well thought out, and exporting amps would seem to be a 'no-brainer' for.....'current' vehicles.

 

I think anything with a CHAdeMO plug and proper power station can be V2L; from the PiP to the Leaf, and even the Mirai.

My old Matrix had a 110V outlet. New Prime supposedly has an outlet too. Hybrids and plug ins with the option just can have a higher output than what the ICE model has.

 

the thing is, prius is a generator with battery buffer. bev's are storage only, and don't have large enough batteries to run a house for very long. just not an efficient way to go. tesla understands that.
120v out on a bev can be nice to have in very few situations, but sounds great. in a prime, it is great.

 

Do Japanese cars have CHAdeMO plugs in the US? Here, they're mostly Type 2, which is a bit of a problem.

And does the Mirai have one? Why?

 

If you're giving a 3kW feed to the house, an 80kWh battery would give you a full day. In Australia it's vanishingly rare that your house would be without electricity for longer than that: it happens to maybe 1000 houses per year, if that.