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  1. sylvaing

    sylvaing Senior Member

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    I can't say about FSD because I didn't have it at the time but the Autopilot kept me well centered and followed traffic last summer with a low sun directly at me on the wet pavement of a five lanes highway in Toronto (Highway 400 I believe). I had trouble seeing the lines myself because of the sun's reflection on the road but that didn't bother the Autopilot.
     
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    All valid concerns.
    Here is what I have experienced with advanced auto pitot, Full Self Drive (FSD) Beta, and Full Self Drive Supervised.

    When I am running with driver assist technologies I find that I am more focused on the traffic around me. I find it easier to anticipate odd behavior from other drivers.
    I believe this is because I am no longer tasked with focusing on keeping the car in its proper lane, keeping the proper distance from the leading car, etc etc.

    In MY case, I believe FSD is a safer driving experience.
     
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    cars need more safety checks on the drivers? i think we already have hands and eyeball checks, but maybe need more than a warning.
     
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    Same here. When going to the cottage in Autopilot (tomorrow will be my first time going there in FSD, not sure how it will react to the 10 km of curvy dirt roads), I focus on the sides of the roads so I don't get startled by a deer jumping in front of the car.
     
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    Well, there is the one week without FSD/AP if the system had to disable itself because of abuse...
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Could look at the airline industry and autopilot there.
    In general, it reduces pilot fatigue. As @Zythryn points out, the manual action driving takes it own level of focus. That constant level of focus is draining to the driver and pilot.
     
  7. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I'll give it a try as we're getting late and I know the streets the sun shines down. The earlier one complained and had me take over . . . into the blinding sun.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Hopefully these last 2 trading days got you feeling less down. :)
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Spot check, $192.34
    • ~$170 - last trench bought
    • ~$185 - previous trench bought
    You'a doin OK' @bisco ?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    All smiles today fellas, and good news at the doctor too!
    Let’s hope Elon can keep his fingers off the keyboard for a while
     
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    i'm up $860. should i sell? :D
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Only when you are ready to buy a Tesla product.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    hoping to see the model 2 SOON!
     
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    Is the market happy that he lost his appeal to the Supreme Court today? And might keep his fingers off the keyboard a while longer?


    Musk's 'Twitter Sitter' Stays On Duty: Supreme Court Snubs Free Speech Appeal

    ... Musk is not allowed to post certain items on social media as part of a settlement made six years ago.

    What Happened: On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal from Musk to remove a provision related to a 2018 settlement with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

    Musk and Tesla Inc (NASDAQ:TSLA) each agreed to pay $20 million as part of a settlement with the SEC in 2018, which was related to a tweet made by Musk announcing that funding had been secured to take the electric vehicle company private.

    Part of the settlement also included the "oversight of communications relating to the company made in any format." This so-called "Twitter Sitter" provision limited what Musk could post on X, formerly known as Twitter, and other social media platforms related to Tesla.

    As part of a settlement agreement, Musk is required to obtain approval from an internal attorney before making any posts about Tesla on X.

    Musk asked the Supreme Court to take up an appeal in December, as he believed the provision on social media posting violated free speech and his First Amendment rights.

    With the rejection by the Supreme Court to hear the case, the provision remains in place. ...
     
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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    The market is happy that he made a deal to get map info for China and China agreed to think about allowing sale of his driving assist products.

    But 15% happy? And then another 10% after the close in a short spike. Back down to the closing area.

    EVs and batteries are both areas where so many research and product announcements are coming every day that value investing has no possibility.

    A new Chinese company just made 100k cars in its first year of production. Expects 1M next year. How many companies will go bust as a result of over supply?

    Will it be the company that announced the 12 minute 10-80% charge? The 650 mile range battery company? What if you don't offer those things yet? How many will hold off buying because they are waiting for the next version? The next shiny object.

    I'm glad Bob has made money (especially on his initial purchases).
     
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    unfortunately, it would appear that the twitter sitter is an accomplice
     
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    Good questions. Answering for me, I couldn’t care less.
    For people that want to Cannnonball Run across the US, a 0%-100% in 5 minutes won’t be enough.
    For people that can charge at home or work, the convenience counts for a lot.
    And since we only travel 2-3 times a year by car, faster charging is only a marginal benefit, if at all.

    In the USA, the EV market has a long way to grow even if you discount all apartment dwellers.
    And the apartment dwellers that do have acces to charging at home or work is growing every year.
     
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  18. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Elon's deal with the ChiComms is a tech transfer - but since Musk's own goal seems to be a mass migration to EV's I'm thinking that he's just being Musk again.
    In other words, money REALLY REALLY isn't his North star.
    After all - he still has his aerospace, and internet side hustles.

    I've said for years that we will have "arrived" at a point where BEVs are a real-world alternative to normal cars when THEY ARE the normally cars.
    If you have to PAY people to drive them it's sorta like bribing your friend to date an ugly sister - eh? ;)

    @ Tesla's stock price.
    Right now we're in a stagnant, housing unfriendly, wealth-centric economy, and there are certain headwinds blowing against BEV integration.
    Early adopters already HAVE theirs, and all of the tax kickbacks are having a negative influence on the secondary market.

    The stock price is 'probably' going to struggle for a little bit longer...
     
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    Since I charge at home 98% of the time, the time saved not fuelling my car is equivalent to 5,500 km driven yearly in an ICE car. Let me explain

    With an ICE vehicle, I used to refuel once a week, more often when going to the cottage (100 km away). With each refuel stop taking on average 3 to 4 minutes (from entering the gas station to leaving it), that's from 150 to 200 minutes a year in time saving. Add the two 30 minutes oil change and we're up to 210 to 260 minutes.

    My charging sessions when road tripping are from 5 to 15 minutes short sessions, or 30 to 45 minutes long sessions, but these long sessions don't count in the added time for a trip as we use those for lunch or dinner stop anyway and we would have also stopped in an ICE vehicle too. So if we average the short stops to 10 minutes and the yearly refuel/oil changes to 230 minutes, it's 23 ten minutes charge session yearly . That's about the equivalent of 3,000 km of road tripping. That's a lot of road tripping. Now if you add that after 500 km, we'll stop to eat (those longer charge sessions), that's six meal stops where at least 300 km will be added to the battery for each. We're now at almost 5,000 km of road tripping yearly, just to even out the time it took me to refuel/maintain my previous ICE vehicle. But, for every 500 km of road tripping in an ICE vehicle, I would have to stop to refuel (and eat) and unlike EV charging, I need to stay by the pump, so another 3 to 4 minutes there. For over 5,000 km, that's again a 30 to 40 minutes wasted time, so 3 to 4 extra 10 minutes charging sessions right there. So we're now at around 5,500 km of yearly road tripping to even out ICE yearly refuelling. That's a lot of road tripping.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Correct!

    When I was working, I tended to work 48+ hours a week through longer days and Saturdays. Early when I was paid by the hour, I got a call from finance one day. 'Uh Bob, did you lose a paycheck or something happen?'

    I had a couple of pay checks in my drawer as I had plenty of money and didn't need to cash them right away. So I said, 'Well yes, I've got it in my sock drawer. Why?'

    'We are trying to balance our books the that uncashed paycheck is causing us some problems.'

    It wasn't long before I had automatic paycheck deposit that was a lot of fun. We still got the check receipt in an identical pay envelope. So sometimes, I would complain 'These are always so difficult to open.' and rip one in half.

    Sure, I've got 130,000 mi on my 5 year old Tesla Model 3. My 'PAY' is $2.50/100 miles around town not counting the 15% free charging by merchants who want my business. No engine or transmission maintenance. Just ordinary car body and suspension maintenance. The high wear tires, Bridgestone ECOPIA, are over 60,000 mi and still looking good. Original brake pads too.

    My 'PAY' is cost avoidance and keeping my "Greenback Yankee dollars" in my wallet for other things . . . like political contributions.

    Bob Wilson