Tesla's performance Model 3 delivers 3.5 second 0-60 for $78,000

According to Car & Driver and I think Road & Track or Motor Trend. I am too lazy to get the issue out. But the Model 3 goes 0-60 in 5 seconds and not 3.5 seconds. The model S does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds.

 

That is highly doubtful. The numbers aren't from some internet site asking if your interested like Toyota did for the Mirai where anybody and their dog(I signed up mine) can just say yes, and I'm sure my dog in Pennsylvania was included in the numbers Toyota published from that.

The Model 3 preorder numbers are from people willing to put down a fair chunk of cash at that instant. The people merely interested, or waiting to see weren't even counted among them.

Among this crowd. I suspect more were anticipating the new Camry, or are for the next Rav4 or possible Supra.

They've only tested the current RWD model. The dual motor AWD and performance options have just become available for the Model 3.

 

which model makes the difference .... the quickest S (turns on battery size & options you pay dearly for) actually does the 0-60mph in a blistering 2.2sec, while the slowest teslas were the (handfull of 40kWh and the) 60kWh X's (both in the mid to high 5sec ranges)
.... don't be lazy!

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Not moving the goalposts, how many pre-orders did they have and how much was the pre-order deposit and how many have they sold since delivery? You are refusing to answer my questions.

 

And that's exactly what I (and Elon) would like to see Toyota do, not some concept car, not some maybe in 2022 promise, but a real honest to goodness competitor at under $35K.

 

yes it was HIGHLY anticipated. I won't generalize by saying everybody, but once I saw the giant fake vent holes in the front, wiggley curvy rear window glass w/ no wiper, sub 30 ev miles, & being short the typical /center rear (5th) seating? ..... i'd have requested a refund back, if they had required one in order to get one. That said, we also requested a $1,000 refund on the model 3, once we decided that it's lack of buttons and no hatchback configuration design wouldn't meet our needs. Everybody's different. We all weigh 'deficiencies' - 'advantages' differently. Even so, a lot of people were able to deal with things that we considered deficiencies, a whole lot better, probably because of its upcoming low price (at the base model level) .
Here's an intriguing "what-if" scenario for those on the waitlist. Imagine Porsche Audi or BMW jacking up future hp significantly. this brings about more interest in their product. What does Tesla do? similar to past experiences, they jack up horsepower over-the-air on the S & X, like they did - when they decided to do when releasing hp ratings on the model3's.
When the model 3 came out, Tesla was quick to assure the model X & S owners didn't feel slighted. They were able to upgrade the 2 different models hp ratibgs to a much higher rating. It's good to be able to do such things, over the air.
How Trippy was tuat !!
Suddenly, you go from a car that will do 0 to 60mph in the 5 second range, to 4.5 seconds. Similarly they introduced "chill" mode, for people who freak out over the extra acceleration. And they give you the option to never accept the extra HP, if that's not how you roll.
So .... despite all this companies' warts, they definitely don't do the same ol same ol.
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The spec for the model 3 SR is 5.5 seconds ($35K). The spec. for the model 3 LR is 5.1 seconds ($49K). It was tested by website DragTimes at 4.8 seconds. The new model 3 Performance AWD is spec'd at 3.5 seconds ($78K)

 

agreed. a lot of people have been able to deal with primes deficiencies as well.

 

i answered your question. you don't like the answer because you don't like toyota, that's okay.

 

How many pre-orders were there, how much deposit did reservationists put down, and how many have they sold since delivery?

Since you are too embarrassed to answer for the most anticipated Toyota ever, here are the stats:

How many pre-orders? = 0
Amount of reservation deposit? = 0
How many Prime have sold in the US? = 26,904 since Nov. 2016
How many model 3 have sold in the US? = 30,000+ since Jul. 2017
How many Prime are selling per month in the US? = ~2,500
How many model 3 are selling per month in the US? = ~20,000

Source

 

not embarrassed at all, just didn't know where to find the numbers. what is your point?

 

You know what my point was: When has Toyota produced a car that was so highly sought after as the model 3? The answer is never.

 

i'm not sure that is true. the circumstances are too different to compare imo. there is a lot of demand for a low priced tesla because there has never been one.

comparing that to toyota's widespread offerings and multitude of vehicles on dealers lots is impossible.

 

Deflection, you should run for office!

 

no, just objective. not married to any one car or mfg.

 

The point remains, how to you measure the anticipation for the Model 3 vs the Prime?

I agree with you that judging that demand is difficult in the case of the Prime.
Perhaps the best method would be the number of units sold and the inventory available?
Has the Prime sold 400,000 units yet or does it have inventory sitting around waiting to be sold?

 

it can't be measured, as far as i can see. model 3 is a one off, and we won't know much for a few years.

 

Less of a one off than a Prime.

 

Prii are one of the most traded in vehicles for Teslas, so that would imply they have a somewhat similar client base.

 

I disagree, it is simple to measure demand for a product.
If you meant it is difficult to find the data needed, I agree.
I also agree that as more time goes by it will become more clear.

Let’s compare what we do have data for that could give us an indication of demand.
The single biggest indication of demand would be sales.

A variety of things can affect this, primarily cost.
Another large affect is production. After all, if a company produces 3 widgets, they can’t sell 5.

I’m not looking, here, to identify items that make one product more desirable than another, but how to quantify the demand of both products.
For example, reservation numbers would be a great way to measure, but only if both products had similar reservations ($ amount, refundable, etc).