The George W. Bush Poll

One thing I do have to admin (speaking as a converted uber-democrat) is that if we cant makeserious inroads in '06, it might be time to blow up the party and start from scratch to try and win back control.

 

MINORITY OPINION HERE...

HERE IS A FACT...TYPICAL SO I PICKED THIS THREAD TO PUT IT IN:

and yes I know it is a little off topic..but really it is not. That is because really, most here want George out, so no matter what happens or what is done, it's gonna be bad.

To really inflame those of you I will now give you FIRST HAND information from an active duty MARINE, and also from AN ACTIVE DUTY Army, and also from many others I have heard the same. The two I used are my kids... here's what I heard basically:

I have had a real problem with the liberal media and the pundits back here.. that is what hurt us back in the Vietnam days. I served in the Navy in those days, even heard the Kerry Gangis Khan speech while there on the SARATOGA, I was a helo pilot. You can see the results, as you may hear disheartening stuff on the field. DON’T let it get you, I TELL MY BOYS TO do what you are there to do, and get back home safely. It broke my heart, back then that Americans back home would not REALLY respect and support our young men and women, and now I really hold a great grudge, to these losers, who just continue to defame and attack only for their own personal gains.

Patrick called us recently about KBR and Haliburton and it was a perfect example, back in the US this company is called EVIL, and is touted as a company that STEALS from the Government, only because of political reasons. While they do charge the US for it’s services, they DO go out of their way to treat you guys good, and deliver the services. All that good is overlooked, and the company is painted as bad, when they ARE one of the BRIGHT SPOTS over there., we know and we understand, (the ones who were there, and have done military service, private outfits ALWAYS do better then the government itself!!)

HERE IS QUOTING.. AND having heard this MANY MANY TIMES:

"Turns out KBR is claimed to be lining its pockets, but all the troops back there rave how great and nice they treat all the troops, they go out of their way to give them rest and food and showers and relaxation, they cook stuff to order If asked, they provide video games, maintain and clean the facilities spotless, and give the soldier or marine or sailor or airman it’s full monie’s worth always. EVERYTHING is always new, sheets and bedding, showers sparkling, NEW soap, HOT water, ..Patrick was telling us about a soldier who wanted fries with his thanksgiving meal, and they had none. KBR cooks got potatoes and made them and cooked them and got them to him. The troops Patrick tells us rejoice when they hear they are going to be bedded down by KBR instead of Army or Marine. They go out 4-6 wks in the field, no shelter, only MRE’s, no showers, nothing and then get 48 hrs R &R, and KBR makes it great EVERY time." They are spending the money for the troops, and doing exactly what they were contracted to do, and NO thanks to the Army and the pundits back home. They quietly do it, do it right and make sure our people out there are appreciated for the sacrifice they are making. They say THANKS for the job buddy....

To those of you that never had military service you'll dimiss this with a 1/2 sentence on the computer and continue to CUSS out that EVIL ex Haliburton CEO and our VP Mr Chenney+ Bush+ the conspiracies, haliburton, and the fact FRANCE did not get to bid on all this, and/or just say he (Chenney) is not there now, that's why.

And to those of you that have been there, That hit home with me and it will hit home with you. The ones who don't get it, just don't understand how important that can be, after a month or two out in the field... and WORSE...nothing matters more.

And so, I thank that company for taking CARE of our boys. That's the bottom line, KBR and Haliburton are doing it right, and believe me they easily could take shortcuts AND REALLY LINE THEIR POCKETS.

SO IRAQ VOTED, I am listening to the news on all of them and
FOX TOO …GOOD out there, JOB WELL DONE FOR US… The Media can’t stand it so they change the focus……only reporting the problems, few as they are, and how the 20% who only got 19% felt the election was rigged, after all if they have 20 % voters they should run the country ??? (like before). Oh yea Bush is not popular.......................

 

For all of the progressives that have lost hope, or are in the process of losing hope, there is a great book (actually more of a pamphlet) that you should read...

"Don't Think Of An Elephant" by George Lakoff.

He's got some very interesting ideas for the democratic party to regain mindshare once again.

 

I agree that the media sucks and has some serious problems, but the media by no means is liberal... it's more obsessed with controversy.

People tend to forget that 6 years ago we were mired in a huge presidential sex scandal... the media definitely wasn't friendly to the president back then. Scandal, controversy!

Now we're in the middle of a war. People also tend to forget how much support the media gave the President just a few years ago when we first invaded. Now when the President's fortunes have waned, there's a lot of bad press over the whole thing.

Whether a sex scandal, or a war not going well... the media is always there making things worse, regardless of political party.

They manage to piss everyone off... so it's not fair to call them liberal like liberals cause all of the problems in the world.

 

Err...McCain is a Republican. :blink:
One who is capable of rational thought and human emotion.

That's what makes the neo-con nationalists so mad at him. McCain knows the world doesn't come in black and white. He's a better man than the one who won the party's primary in 2000.

 

Laughing man..I do agree there with the media to some extent., CIRCULATION is the evil...Good News is not NEWS...

Still though., with publications like the NY Times, Time, Newsweek, La Times and the likes + TV., before talk radio and cable, the LIBERALS did have the "monopoly". Now they have to watch what they say, so the balance is good. As for KBR., I still thank them for taking care of our troops., that does not change.

 

Spunky..go and find some evil postings by Al Qeida., and the such, like Berg getting his head cut off., then tell me all about it.

 

Oh PS Laughing man...last polls on the political divide of Journalist etc..did show that more MORE then 80% of them, felt or had views to the left..ie US evil, Rep evil., big business evil., etc...(Liberals ?)

 

I disagree. This "balance" is what is killing the media, and it's NOT good. "Watching what they say" implies self censorship, which is horrible.

The media is too afraid or too lazy to actually report on real news, and instead just latch onto controversy.

The rise of Fox News really did a number on the 4th estate. It has drastically damaged the reputation of the media compared to the days of Woodward & Bernstein and Wategate by introducing this "self censorship" what you describe as they have to watch what they say.

The media needs to grow some balls instead of turning into a cheap tabloid.

 

ps Spunky:

Since you do base your "factual" things on " the unbiased" Der Spiegel web site., suggest you also invest your time with web sites with the same intent and venin BUT ON the other side. That way you'll get BOTH sides. Start with Mike Savage's web site, he is like Michael Moore but on the right (extreme right..)

 

You're making the same mistake as the CNN show Crossfire.

So called "debate" shows where all they do is bring together two yammering heads from the extremes of left and right and call that "getting both sides."

It does no good... especially since when you get people talking from the extremes, they are so far off both ends that they're not even talking to each other anymore... they're just screaming at each other and not talking about the issues.

And that only assumes that there are exactly 2 sides to every issue...

No.. real debate is much different from just picking the two loudest and most blowhardest people you can and pitting them against each other.

This is exactly what Jon Stewart was talking about when he went onto Crossfire and bit their heads off.

 

Scottyy...ever tried to get a middle schooler savy boy to admit to something by talk????

Now come on don't be naive.. to fight terrorism, and in war it is sometimes necessary to lower our methodology to something that is more common with the enemy you are dealing with. Why do you think Iraqi's and other arabs are more scared of their own countrymen then us? Yep you gotta to find weak points, and you gotta do things to elicit any information. You conveniently seem to forget these people are fanatics who would consider death an honor to Islam, these people regard no sacrifice too great, and no innocents truly innocent, the cause at any price is justified. How do you propose to question and protect this country and save U.S. lives ?

 

Laughing man..Spunky was reading from DER Spiegle and quoting like the bible., telling us because DER Spiegle said it, it is FACT. Well non sense exists on both sides.

 

Well anyway the subject is talking about everything except my initial point., which was the ONLY reason I even came in here...THANK YOU KBR AND HALIBURTON for taking good care of our troops and my 2 boys.

 

The difference is Moore is a fabricator

 

Until the capture of Kabul I believe that GWB was up to the challenge facing him and was doing what all of us would have done in the same situation. The days after Sept 11 and the speech to Congress made me feel proud. I felt he was capable of leading us in our righteous anger. Allowing our Forces to be their best in going after the Taliban as well as they did confirmed how he could lead by example and let the specialists use their expertise. The retaliatory effort against the Taliban and Osama bin Laden until then was a nearly flawless operation of justifiable anger and force against a sworn enemy. When OBL was lost in the mountains the whole fabric began to unravel.

In my opinion GWB will never be forgiven for letting OBL remain at free for the past 3 years. Unless OBL is stashed at a prison in some remote former Russian satellite GWB has failed the American people worse than any President before him.

But even worse for all of us he will have assisted directly in moving the base of terrorism from a god-awful stretch of moonscape in Afghanistan to the heart of Islam. Potential terrorists dont have to travel to some distant desert mountain camp for training... they can ride their bikes. When we finally withdraw in victory we'll be leaving behind the terrorists riviera.

 

You left out Dead vs. Alive! Personally being dead doesn't scare me at all but I would prefer to die a natural death. Unlike those in the Twin Towers. It seems to me that to fight the people who are in charge of our security is to fight us - no?


Sorry I'm not nuanced (sp?) :rolleyes even further.
Never have been. But I see it simple - either they're going to kill us or they're not -Sounds pretty black and white to me. I'd rather negotiate over a Mai Tai, and then sing kumbaya in a circle but you know thats not going to happen. So, anything that counters our commander-in-chief, be it Bush or whomever, its slowing down our victory. And it endangers our troops lives. I can't swallow "I'm for the troops but I'm against the war" HORSEMANOUR!

 

I wonder if the police torture in the US (I never get arrested, so I don't know). Other wise, how do they solve crimes?

And that Saddam bastard is probably using torture to protect his country back then, free him!

 

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Oh, i always get a good laugh whenever I watch that clip. :lol: