The Media Aims its Missiles

Stick to the substance of the photos. Doctored or not does not suddenly negate (or somehow devalue) the fact innocent men, women, and children, have been killed by Israel by intentional means or otherwise. Of course, the same thing applies to Hezbollah, to be fair....

 

I agree, if Hezbollah didn't have the Jews to try and destroy in Israel, they would be amassing weapons along their northern borders for terrorist activities and planned launches into Europe. Iran has it's sights set on Europe - as do the radicals in Turkey.

And of course if they somehow conquered Europe they would continue from there - eventually ending up here.

Radical or even moderately fundamental Islamists are the current true enemy of the free (and even the non free) world.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 13 2006, 01:16 PM) [snapback]302581[/snapback]</div>

That statement wreaks of bigotry and racism. It's like one degree away...

Again, from your standpoint, YOUR idea of what is moral, what isn't, there isn't is there? That's what defines/justifies the "We're right, we're the Knights in shining armor, you're wrong" stance...

Yeah, I read it (had to look up a few words though... ), big deal. Just another mouth talking out of his arse (but an interesting perspective nonetheless), who doesn't take into account, "Gee, just why is it, what could possibly make anyone strap bombs onto themselves, board a bus, and take everyone out?"

Better yet, instead of getting into an eternal pissing match of who's/right/who's wrong, who's morally "superior" who isnt', I'm curious:

What do you think drives a, for example, Hezbollah suicide bomber? Why do you think they hate Israel/Jews soo much, they're willing to "martyr" themselves? ...and "hate" isn't a really good answer, there is something behind that hate... I don't think I've read anything of yours which addresses, what I would say, is probably the most crucial core issue. If you have, forgive me, as, contrary to popular belief, I'm frequently away from this site, and don't have the time to read everything...

 

"why do they hate Jews so much"

That's sort of funny, maybe you could ask Richard the Lionheart that question after the second crusades. They don't just hate Jews - they hate Christians, Catholics and any non-muslims. They even hate muslims that aren't of the same sect as themselves.

Here is something interesting that a friend sent me;

Ladies and gentlemen, leaders of the world, I, the prime minister of Israel, am speaking to you from Jerusalem in the face of the terrible pictures from Kfar Kana. Any human heart, wherever it is, must sicken and recoil at the sight of such pictures.

There are no words of comfort that can mitigate the enormity of this tragedy. Still, I am looking you straight in the eye and telling you that the State of Israel will continue its military campaign in Lebanon.

The Israel Defense Forces [IDF] will continue to attack targets from which missiles and Katyusha rockets are fired at hospitals, old-age homes and kindergartens in Israel. I have instructed the security forces and the IDF to continue to hunt for the Katyusha stockpiles and launch sites from which these savages are bombarding the State of Israel.

We will not hesitate, we will not apologize and we will not back off. If they continue to launch missiles into Israel from Kfar Kana, we will continue to bomb Kfar Kana. Today, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Here, there and everywhere.

The children of Kfar Kana could now be sleeping peacefully in their homes, unmolested, had the agents of the devil not taken over their land and turned the lives of our children into hell. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time you understood: The Jewish state will no longer be trampled upon.

We will no longer allow anyone to exploit population centers in order to bomb our citizens. No one will be able to hide anymore behind women and children in order to kill our women and children. This anarchy is over. You can condemn us, you can boycott us, you can stop visiting us and, if necessary, we will stop visiting you.

Today, I am serving as the voice of 6 million bombarded Israeli citizens, who serve as the voice of 6 million murdered Jews, who were melted down to dust and ashes by savages in Europe. In both cases, those responsible for these evil acts were, and are, barbarians devoid of all humanity, who set themselves one simple goal: to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the earth, as Adolf Hitler said, or to wipe the State of Israel off the map, as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad [Iran's president] proclaims.

And you -- just as you did not take those words seriously then, you are ignoring them again now. And that, ladies and gentlemen, leaders of the world, will not happen again. Never again will we wait for bombs that never came to hit the gas chambers. Never again will we wait for salvation that never arrives.

Now we have our own air force. The Jewish people are now capable of standing up to those who seek their destruction - those people will no longer be able to hide behind women and children. They will no longer be able to evade their responsibility.

Every place from which a Katyusha is fired into the State of Israel will be a legitimate target for us to attack. This must be stated clearly and publicly, once and for all. You are welcome to judge us, to ostracize us, to boycott us and to vilify us. But to kill us? Absolutely not.

Four months ago, I was elected by hundreds of thousands of citizens to the office of prime minister of the government of Israel on the basis of my plan for unilaterally withdrawing from 90 percent of the areas of Judea and Samaria, the birthplace and cradle of the Jewish people, to end most of the occupation and to enable the Palestinian people to turn over a new leaf and to calm things down until conditions are ripe for attaining a permanent settlement between us.

The prime minister who preceded me, Ariel Sharon, made a full withdrawal from the Gaza Strip back to the international border and gave the Palestinians there a chance to build a new reality for themselves. The prime minister who preceded him, Ehud Barak, ended the lengthy Israeli presence in Lebanon and pulled the IDF back to the international border, leaving the land of the cedars to flourish, develop and establish its democracy and its economy.

What did the State of Israel get in exchange for all of this? Did we win even one minute of quiet? Was our hand, outstretched in peace, met with a handshake of encouragement?

Ehud Barak's peace initiative at Camp David let loose on us a wave of suicide bombers who smashed and blew to pieces over 1,000 citizens -- men, women and children. I don't remember you being so enraged then. Maybe that happened because we did not allow TV close-ups of the dismembered body parts of the Israeli youngsters at the Dolphinarium? Or of the shattered lives of the people butchered while celebrating the Passover seder at the Park Hotel in Netanya?

What can you do - that's the way we are. We don't wave body parts at the camera. We grieve quietly. We do not dance on the roofs at the sight of the bodies of our enemy's children -- we express genuine sorrow and regret. That is the monstrous behavior of our enemies.

Now they have risen up against us. Tomorrow they will rise up against you. You are already familiar with the murderous taste of this terror. And you will taste more.

And Ariel Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza -- what did it get us? A barrage of Qassam missiles fired at peaceful settlements and the kidnapping of soldiers. Then too, I don't recall you reacting with such alarm. And for six years, the withdrawal from Lebanon has drawn the vituperation and crimes of a dangerous, extremist Iranian agent, who took over an entire country in the name of religious fanaticism and is trying to take Israel hostage on his way to Jerusalem -- and from there to Paris and London.

An enormous terrorist infrastructure has been established by Iran on our border, threatening our citizens, growing stronger before our very eyes, awaiting the moment when the land of the ayatollahs becomes a nuclear power in order to bring us to our knees. And make no mistake -- we won't go down alone. You, the leaders of the free and enlightened world, will go down along with us.

So today, here and now, I am putting an end to this parade of hypocrisy. I don't recall such a wave of reaction in the face of the 100 citizens killed every single day in Iraq. Sunnis kill Shiites who kill Sunnis, and all of them kill Americans -- and the world remains silent. And I am hard pressed to recall a similar reaction when the Russians destroyed entire villages and burned down large cities in order to repress the revolt in Chechnya. And when NATO bombed Kosovo for almost three months and crushed the civilian population - then you also kept silent.

What is it about us, the Jews, the minority, the persecuted, that arouses this cosmic sense of justice in you? What do we have that all the others don't? In a loud clear voice, looking you straight in the eye, I stand before you openly, and I will not apologize. I will not capitulate. I will not whine. This is a battle for our freedom. For our humanity. For the right to lead normal lives within our recognized, legitimate borders. It is also your battle. I pray and I believe that now you will understand that. Because if you don't, you may regret it later, when it's too late.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 13 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]302656[/snapback]</div>

Terrorism is the last bastion of defense. That's what happens when people are cornered and have nothing to lose, which leads to a question most don't seem to want to ask: why?

I'd bet my life if the USA got invaded, and colonized by Arabs to the extent of actually wiping "us" out, we'd be seeing "extremists" shouting "LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE MOTHER F'KER!" as we'd take out a bus full of Arab civilians...

Do you REALLY think Hezbollah would resort to terrorism if they had an actual Army/Air Force?


To be fair, I've also been outraged when Hezbollah does crap like suicide bomb a Jewish wedding, or the ubiquitious bus bombings.

You talk of "moral eqivalence", yeah, so do they, bottom line is both sides have equal HATE for one another, and most certainly, as we've seen, heard, and read over the years, neither side is beyond committing atrocities in the name of, 1. God, and 2. "moral equivalence" and issues thereof.

It just sucks such a big portion of the world has to suffer because of your pissing match.


Mercutio had it right, "A plague o' both your houses!"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Aug 13 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]302850[/snapback]</div>

I totally disagree. This is EXACTLY why they do these things to us. Because they know that we do NOT do things that way and that we "have" to fight like "civilized" people, lest the rest of the world (and you too Squid), accuse us of human rights violations.

If we were as fanatical as they were, they would be scared of us, never knowing what we were going to do next. Instead, they can easily plan for our actions/reactions.

They know that we care more about living in this world and they use this against us in everything they plan and they do.

We do not forget that the Nazi's were pretty close to wiping out just about everyone...and you did not see suicide bombers attacking them! How have things changed in that regard?

We all know that the media has been led in this case. We all know that civilians have died. We all know that Hezbollah had purposely endangered civilians. We all know that Israel made a conscious decision that in order to root out Hezbollah they would have to go through the human shields.

The problem is, that no one can ever figure out a solution where everyone over there can live in peace.

We can all argue here that one side is wrong, or both sides are wrong...but bottom-line, is anything really going to improve over there?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mssmith95 @ Aug 14 2006, 07:04 PM) [snapback]303236[/snapback]</div>

Yeah, and that's the point. Get it?

What if people did suicide bomb Germans at the time, and implemented such tactics? IMO, far better then *voluntarily* getting on the train... (and that means EVERYONE not only the Jews) figure of speech folks don't take it so literally)).

I'd never live under such oppression, kill my family, destroy my home, and leave me with nothing but the tattered shirt on my back, I'd rather die and take as many aholes down as I could with me. I really wonder how many of you would change your tune when placed in that situation...? For all our sakes, let's hope no one gets to find out...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mssmith95 @ Aug 14 2006, 07:04 PM) [snapback]303236[/snapback]</div>

Sure, it's pretty easy to fight a "civilized" battle when you have F16's and your enemy has sticks and stones...

 

Let's do the world a favor and move Isreal to Europe (then it would be a fair fight).

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brasche @ Aug 15 2006, 09:46 PM) [snapback]303916[/snapback]</div>

Um, big difference between what the Nazi's did to the Jews and what the "Jews & Christians are doing to Arabs"

Is the USA in Iraq to round up all the Iraqis in camps and systematically kill them all? Are the Israelis doing this? The truth is that the number of Palestinians (if you call them that) has doubled in the past 30 years, they are birthing in numbers at a rate that is 3-5X higher then what 'civilized' cultures such as the USA & Isreal.

So, it's actually the REVERSE of Genocide - they'll multiplying and growing and increasing every year.

Do you want to remake your stupid Nazi suicide bomber post now?

You sound extremely closed minded and ignorant. FYI: I am Jewish and I'm typing this to you from Hückelhoven Germany. A country I came back to, in the name of business and fair trade. Those mentally deficient 'Palestinians' are fighting battles going back for centuries, whereas here I am - 60 years after the Germans destroyed most of my forfathers, took all of my family's assets, I am back here making friends and setting down roots.

Slightly different mentality eh?

Maybe I should be blaming the Germans here, I could start fights with them and say "your grandfather burned my grandfather alive", but that is counterproductive towards making peace isnt' it?