The Official Hyundai Ioniq Review Thread

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    Hyundai Ioniq vs Toyota Prius
    Hyundai Ioniq vs Toyota Prius | Auto Express

    - Slower
    - Less efficient
    - Less space/comfort.
    - Less refined

    - Cheaper

     
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    interesting that they say prius beats ionique in efficiency, while hundai is claiming higher mpg's.
     
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    well, we've heard that before, haven't we.;)
     
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    well in Europe, official measurments are in Prius favor too... but in their testing, Prius was better as well.

    But we kind of knew all of this, didnt we? Without PSD, system is not as smooth, as integrated, as fast and as frugal.

    When I sat in one, it felt like competition to G3, not G4.... and it is a better car than G3. But G4 is on another level. From interior size and comfort to obviously powertrain.

    Still, competition is good.
     
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    I believe little of what I read. I'm waiting to drive both and make my own decision.

    From everything I have read, however,the Ioniq is more fuel efficient at highway speed, the Prius at city speed.
    Hyundai will offer an EV which Toyota does not.
    Lifetime HV battery warranty for original buyer is a biggie, plus lower initial cost.
    Reliability, to date, is a check beneath the Prius column.
    Fit & Finish is unknown as is comfort and handling.

    While subjective, I favor the looks of the Ioniq. Prius is not on my 'short list' because of the looks. The Ioniq remains on my 'interesting' list ..... but I am nowhere near considering a purchase.
    I think it will be an interesting competition between the two.
     
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    In the past, yes, but that may not always be the case. A full parallel hybrid requires a finer level of system control to be acceptable to a car buyer than was available when Toyota started with their power-split system. Note that much of the efficiency improvements for the gen 3 and 4 Prius were in the ICE, and exclusive of the HSD.
     
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    Trollbait - I always appreciate your post. You are informed, explain yourself very well, and I can detect no preconceived 'slant' to your post and/or responses. Thank you for your input and expertise .... especially your knowledge of intricate engineering systems.
     
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    Need to figure out exact what that entails. They may have a very specific requirement.
     
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    Haven't found any fine print myself. In the case of the hybrids, if the lifetime warranty doesn't cover an issue, there is the 8yr/100k mile federal or 10yr/150k mile CARB ones behind it.
     
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    I could be wrong ..... the way I read it I thought the lifetime warranty was only for the HV battery, and only for the original purchaser. I'll try to find what I read.

    This was on the Ioniq forum ..... interesting:

    "It’s a race amongst car manufacturers and Google to see who can come out with a fully autonomous vehicle first and Hyundai has just revealed their contender at the LA motor show.

    Hyundai integrated a forward-facing radar, three-way camera system, GPS antenna, blind spot detection radar, and laser-based Lidar technology into an Ioniq body. Some of the concept’s hardware was actually carried over from the Ioniq production model including automatic emergency braking, smart cruise control and lane departure warning.

    By reusing existing hardware and systems, Hyundai was able to develop a cost effective autonomous concept vehicle that should aid them in developing an affordable production model in the future. “We have adapted the Ioniq's existing systems and are developing the tech in house. We're using lower computing power than most as we want people to be able to afford it, which is no different to the existing Hyundai ethos," said Hyundai USA product boss Mike O'Brien.

    They’ve even taken into account the aesthetics of the concept model by tucking the LiDAR system into the front bumper instead of putting it on the roof like the Bolt EV or Google’s autonomous fleet. Mike O'Brien “want to make it look like a car and not a science laboratory test.”

    Hyundai has already started testing autonomous Ioniq prototypes on the urban streets of South Korea and two of them are expected to make their way to the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics Show in January next year."
     
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    Yes to the lifetime warranty on the battery, but there doesn't appear to be any printed definition of would Hyundai counts as a failure. Does a certain loss of capacity count, or does the battery have to be completely useless?
     
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    Over on the Ioniq forum, European owners are now reporting on their experiences .... and it sounds encouraging.
    One such comment:
    "I'e put 500 miles on now in just under a week, my commute is 70 miles each way. The car is such a pleasure to drive im offering to take people places. In sport mode with traction off its wild, the front wheels skid up to about 30 mph in moist/wet conditions, to much torque for the low drag tires, taking any amount of turning and accelerating always looses traction, low weight in the front of the car and tires again mean traction light is always coming on... And thats going slowly. As soon as the car straightens up its normal, breaking into corners is fine, no loss of traction (weight shift to the front of the car). It feels like a very light car, if i grab the wheel and pull and shove it the whole car wobbles with it... Probably normal for a small car, i just traded in a outlander PHEV which was a beast.

    Driving with lane keep assist on full is amazing, you can take your hands of the wheel for up to 10 seconds on a dual carageway/motorway and it will keep the car in lane even in a shallow bend. Automaic cruse control is great, even comes to a full stop, if you stop for more than 5 seconds it askes you to tap the peddle or it will switch off. Very little driving fatugue thanks to the driver assists. The heaters are amazing, from 0 degress to 20 degree cabin is lass than a minute or two i would say."
     
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    which version is that?
     
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    I'll check, but I believe it was the EV model. Today, another that owns the hybrid, reported 73 mpg on a trip into London .... including stop and go traffic. Early real world reports are encouraging. Right now (in Europe) there are only two choices ..... EV and hybrid. The plug-in will be available in the spring.

    If the Ioniq can come close to the Prius reliability and quality .... it will be an interesting competition. As you know, I think it wins on looks .... but that is personal.
     
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    They are likely speaking in imperial gallons. 73mpg(UK) would be nearly 61mpg(US)
     
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    not too shabby.
     
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    bisco - I said I would check .... the writer has a 2016 Ioniq Premium hybrid. After 5 fill-ups, he reports 66.1 mpg average, but the 73 mpg was a one tank result where he drove slower and more deliberately. In other post he has mentioned enjoying the 'sport' mode, but recognizes it is not his most efficient way of driving. The slower, more deliberate drive was an effort to determine the true potential. He lives in the UK, so it likely is imperial gallons. Thank you trollbait for that clarification.

    An interesting side note .... in November 2016 in South Korea ... Hyundai sold 1,425 Ioniq's (all variants). Of that number, 1,085 were EV's and 340 hybrids. If that sales ration is representative of the interest in EV's ... it may explain why Toyota has announced it will offer an EV in time.
     
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