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Discussion in 'Tesla' started by jzchen, Nov 28, 2023.

  1. hill

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    oh i hear what you're saying but the deflated dollar .... ever increasing the money supply hardly gets you much but the stripped version after delivery, dealer prep, & taxes. Just checked the 2024 Tacoma prices for the fully loaded limited version. LOL

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    Oh well. That's still cheaper than the F250 & the F350 & the comparable GM products that can easily go all the way over $95,000.
    Enjoy your deflated dollar value now because it won't be better next year.
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  2. hill

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    Didn't look very hard, right?

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    Back of the napkin that works out to about what, 2.4 miles per kWh?
    Why do you care. Are you planning on buying one? It's funny that you think you know so much about heavy electric vehicles. Apparently more than Pepsi Inc. - considering the fleet they are acquiring

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    But if you would rather keep all the diesel vehicles and large pickups running gas, more power to you
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  3. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    Some never learn from the past...
     
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    that's for sure, and some never see the future
     
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    Since the point was to force you to engage on-topic, chalk that up as a success.

    We are going to see hypocrites from everywhere justifying 2.4 mi/kWh while at the same time claiming 3.1 mi/kWh is terrible.

    Just like in the past, these beasts will almost entirely be used for single-person travel without any cargo.
     
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    Coming from you, that is especially ironic.
     
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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    All the negatives but ...the drag race is the least of the review.

    Tesla Cybertruck takes on Rivian R1T and Hummer EV in review

    For all the praise, it wasn't driven on the street. There was no discussion of controls for simple things like turn signals and wipers (and a 4 foot wiper). Wonder what tires for this 3 ton monster will cost.

    If I win the lottery ....
     
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    The headlights look like they will be a nightmare during the winter here. For all the grief posted about rear-wiper absence, it's amazing the simple act of snow/ice buildup blocking forward illumination is curiously missing from discussion. Tesla-Cybertruck-at-Petersen-Photo-Gallery-To-Be-Bulletproof-Front-Lights-730x570.jpg
     
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    i'm driving the future man, and so are you. but the way most legacy mfgs are behaving, it's all about the bottom line and the stock market.
    in a few short years, tesla and hyundai will be the last ones standing (and the chinese, if the us government allows them)
     
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    Sympathies for your doomsday outlook - but it still beats ICE, & it's kinda sad when the eco minded don't understand the principle of the lesser of two evils, & can't see that's what's most important. Our society is not made up of a majority of econo box vehicles.
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    to get people to stop driving beasts (including toyota land barges) will take government intervention.
     
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    I have owned and driven small cars with higher than average gas mileage all my life. Even the SUV (Subaru Crostrek) we own now is one of the smaller ones. Our government does not have the right to tell me what car to buy. Outlawing the manufacture of gasoline powered vehicles is doomed to failure as Americans are a rebellious lot. EVs will predominate when they become practical for most consumers. Trying to rush technology progress by edit cannot and will not work.

    Toyota's approach, emphasizing hybrids, seems to be a practical approach in the mid-term. I doubt that I will still be driving cars when EVs take over.

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    Considering John has admitted his bx4z isn't competitive, perhaps he has buyers remorse.
     
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    Aren't EVs something like 15% already?
     
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    Depends which country we are talking about
     
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    Actually, it would happen with LACK of government intervention.
    If the government stopped subsidizing oil and gas, including the damage to health and the wars to keep supply stable, EVs would be growing much faster than they are.
     
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    What EV do you find efficient at 300 Wh/miles? My Model 3 does 259 Wh/miles (average after 34648 miles), and that includes two Canadian winters.

     
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    We're all 'early adopters' of different architectures. But like the tale of the Stork and Fox, we have different requirements. For examples, my recent choices:
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    Vehicles that satisfy my requires, a widowed, 73 year old, man living in Dixie, might not meet the requirements of others. As long as we experiment, test with 'hands on,' new technology, we are sharing and advancing our knowledge. BTW, my Prius experiments started in 2005 with a used, 2003 model.

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    Balance is what's most important. We waited 4 years for Cybertruck and still don't have even a glimmer of hope for something for ordinary consumers. Tesla's neglect for an entry-level offering is what you continue to endorse by making excuses like that.
     
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    oh, like toyotas $50,000. bev?
     
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