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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by SteveMucc, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. dipper

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    Just because you left the Volt did not justify leaving the Clarity out.... hehehe.
     
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    bwilson4web i3 and Prime

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    Missed it but a quick scan shows it would replace the Volt.

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    They just announced a Niro BEV with over 200 miles range.

    I think it was a case of how much battery they could get into the car without major changes to the suspension and chassis, while minimizing cargo space loss.

    Or they designed the hybrid and BEV first, and didn't want to lose more space than the BEV did. Seeing how the PHEV came out last, that might be more likely.
     
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    maybe something gm should have considered, especially with the volt ground up platform
     
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    They used the EV1 as a template, which also had a T battery shape.
     
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    right. i'm thinking better mpg's, lower ev range and lower cost are a more popular mix
     
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    dang - looks like the plugin Pacifica has really picked up steam .... estimates roughly 50% higher sales volume over prior months. Goes to show that bargain shoppers /end of year buyers are out there looking for the deals - like Bob surmised.
    Model 3 still killin' all others .... estimates are, they're working to crank out 1,000/day.
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    should have been a spike in primes, based on the pricing thread november discounts...
     
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    bwilson4web i3 and Prime

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    Source: Monthly Plug-In EV Sales Scorecard

    2018 U.S. EV SALES AUG SEP OCT NOV YTD TOTAL
    1 Tesla Model 3* 17800 22250 17750 18650 114532
    2 Toyota Prius Prime 2071 2213 2001 2312 24836
    3 Tesla Model S* 2625 3750 1350 2750 22495
    4 Tesla Model X* 2750 3975 1225 3200 22000
    5 Chevrolet Volt* 1825 2129 1475 3930 18648
    6 Chevrolet Bolt EV* 1225 1549 2075 3025 16907
    7 Honda Clarity PHEV* 1495 2028 1935 1857 15424
    8 Nissan LEAF 1315 1563 1234 1128 13048
    9 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid** 654 637 623 895 6349

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    If you insist on having the engine in the front, the T-shape battery is probably the best for a PHEV; it has most of the benefits of a flat, skateboard pack. Between it and the liquid cooling, the Volt lost 5 cubic feet of space to the Ioniq PEHV's 4 cu.ft. and Prime's 7.6 cu.ft.
    Yeah, 25 to 30 miles of EV range is probably yields the best balance there.

    But then it wouldn't have been a Volt.

    We are going to have to wait, and see if GM tries another PHEV here.

    There have been 'have to meet CAFE' discounts off and on all year, and then the usual end of year discounts. On top of that, there is the changes to the tax law in effect, the Volt is a cheap way to get the full $7500 without worry about charging, and GM is getting close to that 200k number.
     
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    Add to this, car sales are still dropping in November.
    November auto sales expected to fall as Americans ditch passenger cars
     
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    i wish they would try another, but i would have preferred an announcement prior to the death sentence.
     
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    There'll likely be plenty leftovers on the GM lots for at least a couple more months ..... maybe some great end of year deals
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    if only it was worth buying. why is it all the cars i'm not interested in are firesaled, and the ones i like are msrp?
     
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    Sounds like someone just summed up Economics 101. :)
     
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    what cars R U interested?
     
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    tesla, maybe the new leaf
     
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    Tesla's production and sales model means they can avoid the necessity of discounting. Going to have to look at used for a deal.

    I thought there were some nice lease deals for the new Leaf. With their history with air cooling, lease is all I'd do. With the expansion of the Ioniq Electric, and introduction of the Kona and Niro BEVs, You will see Nissan discounting the Leaf, if they aren't already.
     
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