Timezones

@fuzzy1 and others, please to not regard journal paywalls as having physical reality. The article is linked at

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-023-02029-2

For this, alternatives pop right up

1. Click on purchase options and you are redirected to see first printed page, and blurries of subsequent pages. This is useful because ...

2. Go to

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.04053.pdf

And the entire preprint comes to you. It will not be identical to the $39.95 version, but the figures there seem very similar (at least) to the blurred money version. I don't think you will be misled by it.

3. Go to your local library. I usually suggest bringing a small box of cookies along with your USB stick. Former is for librarian who you will tell "Please help me download this article". Or, bring enough coins to photocopy 5 pages. A denial with either of those would be noteworthy.

4. Back to Nature webpage, there you can find Geraint Lewis' email. Your email request can be very brief, or include a virtual cookie (I am but a layman with interest in this topic, or similar). Lack of success would be slightly noteworthy. It happens infrequently.

 

For NYT and Financial Times reports, among others, I find my cat-like reactions do the job. The article appears for a second or so before it's blurred behind the paywall. Printing it as a pdf, or selecting all the text and copying it, will give you the full text.

Or so I'm told. I'd never dream of doing such a thing myself, obviously.

It was a lot easier to do this 13 billion years ago, of course, when time ran slower: you'd have a lot more time to do your copying and pasting.

 

13 billion years ago, to improve on that science fiction, universe was so much smaller that all (earths') scientists would have been squeezed into a volume of a Police Telephone Call Box. Approximately. So just ask Geraint Lewis for the darn thing in person. I mean, he's right there.

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For publications 2021 and before, a different and very effective method exists. It does skirt copyright laws. Heck it is up in the folds and ruffles of that skirt. Publishers with paywalls to protect have whacked that mole pretty well, for 2022 and later publications. There is no need for me to provide that (piratical) link here. It is easy to find, and you have all the upstanding pathways I mentioned above. Plus, librarians may receive cookies.

 

Missed that turn signal, but OK....

just remember....# 2 "tires harder" and the REAL THREAT to Russia lies not from without, which is why most of their military leaders remember serving under TWO flags instead of just one.

Blinker on.
Swerving back into the right lane.....
Blinker off.

A billion is a lot.
NOT as much as a trillion, but hey....HUBRIS is REALLY big.
Even during the tiny shredling of time that we've been here 'bouts we've managed to imagine things like zero...infinity...and time dilation.

WE often fail larger tests of imagination.

 

I do find that paper now. Loaded with statistics well beyond my level.

Once upon a time, I made occasional expeditions to the University of Washington general, law, medical, or engineering libraries, for more extensive resources than the local public library could access. Carrying plenty of photocopier money. But the spouse is less tolerant of such absences now, and I have significantly less need or motivation anymore.

I haven't really kept up to the modern online 'free' channels. My last employment very strongly discouraged anything remotely resembling piracy, to the point of immediate escorts out the door for offenders caught red-handed. As a company highly dependent on harvesting license fees, it was very bad optics to harbor employees or contractors using company resources to evade the licensing / revenue channels of other companies. Since leaving, I haven't been shy about blocking advertising and clearing cookies to restart free article counters on my own equipment, but only infrequently go beyond that.

 

People with a mainstream (one might say broad) interpretation of piracy would not approve of sci-hub. But that is already known I suppose.

 

I didn't check it out the previous time it was mentioned, and forget about what resources were listed then. But did look this time. It worked well, even much better than digging through my own poorly organized dead tree library.

 

My thoughts were not about what time is doing now that it exists.I don’t have a competitive agenda. No one is in a box with a label. Talking about what is time, not the nuts and bolts of time as we find it. Scientists do talk about it. Like what is that chair? It’s still an open question. Spending big bucks working on it, not there yet. Never quite there. Never quite at absolute zero. Never quite at the beginning of the universe or did it have a beginning, who knows. Some get religion over it.

 

why don't we have time zones for latitude?

 

Oh oh...

 

let's keep the convo flowing

 

Why would we have them?

 

Because it’s light in one place and dark in another

 

hours of daylight around the world - Students | Britannica Kids | Homework Help

 

Too many zones, and the cost. How about no time zones? Just deal with sunrise sunset wherever you are how you want. Everyone has the same time on their clocks.

 

thanks T, appreciate the back up data

 

sure, i don't have a problem with that. why do we have time zones to begin with?

 

We’re doing FaceTimes with offspring nearly halfway round the world right now; so strange, we’re out for morning walk, they’re watching the sun set over the Mediterranean.