Toddler's temper ousts family from plane

And here's a predictable comment from a Grandmother:
my husband and I worried that we disciplined our kids more tightly than our friends did - on the other hand, we were never embarassed to take them out in public, because they knew how to behave. They flew lots of times as children - the first time when when son was 2 1/2 and daughter 6 weeks - with NO problems. They also wore seatbelts in the car from day one - the car didn't go anywhere if everyone wasn't buckled in back in the early 70's. Sit down and behave wasn't a suggestion - it was expected without any fuss. And for the record, my kids (now 36 & 39) still call my friends "Mr. & Mrs" unless the friends ask them to use their first names. It's called respect for elders, not fear. Heck, I still call my parents' friends "Mr & Mrs" unless they correct me, and I was a senior in college when JFK was assassinated if you want to calculate my age.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Beryl Octet @ Jan 24 2007, 10:15 AM) [snapback]380025[/snapback]</div>

I thought that's what the overhead bins were for?

Tom

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Jan 24 2007, 12:00 PM) [snapback]380102[/snapback]</div>

Good for you!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(qbee42 @ Jan 24 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]380129[/snapback]</div>

No, I'm pretty sure those are for the snakes.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Jan 24 2007, 11:40 AM) [snapback]380089[/snapback]</div>

The one thing that comes to mind is that I've heard a lot of kids hate flying because of the way the pressure builds up in the inner ear. Adults know how to swallow and make it pop but children don't. She may have had a terrible time on the flight to Florida and was terrified of it happening again. When I was a kid, the stewardess would hand out gum to the kids to alleviate the problem. They don't give out anything anymore.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(qbee42 @ Jan 24 2007, 09:42 AM) [snapback]380129[/snapback]</div>

LOL!


What's wrong with a pet carrier, heck the cargo bays are heated and pressurized these days. :blink:


Wildkow

p.s. Nice thing about kids. . . if you lose or misplace a couple here or there you can always make more. . . [attachmentid=6319]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Jan 24 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]380089[/snapback]</div>

You are so full of it.

..although it is interesting to see you resort to a name calling personal attack first. Bravo. Anyone going to "silence" you for a week?

Of course, you ASSUME continuous screaming would be the resultant, and you ASSUME this will lead to prolonging the experience. Gee, would it be possible, perhaps equally such, there would be NO screaming and the event would end right there?

It's the sort of thing that makes it useless arguing with you on most issues. You only present scenarios and possible outcomes as long as they support your overall idea/theme whatever...

Precisely the reason Jimmy Carter won't even bother arguing with Dershowitz regarding Israel...

There's just a WEEEEE bit of a difference between that scenario and simply dealing with a spazzing kid on a flight..

...but you know what? We don't give a F!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jan 24 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]380042[/snapback]</div>

Can't believe you're blaming liberalism for this. My next door neighbors, hard core right wing nutjobs, are the ones who plead and beg with their three kids to do things...and don't discipline.

Me, the liberal next door, wishes they would bring corporal punishment back into schools.

Once again, you're lumping all stupid behavior under a liberal label. I guess that makes you a liberal, too, huh?

And this liberal would've given the family another opportunity to fly on the next flight available, but no other "rewards."

As the parent of a three-year old myself, I don't have much sympathy for the parents, but tons for the little girl. Another thing that parents today DON'T make their kids do is nap or sleep on a schedule. Most kids have their meltdowns because they're exhausted. There is no reasoning with an exhausted 2-year old--they're bulletproof (in their eyes), so fear doesn't even work. For those of you with kids, you know what I mean.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jan 24 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]380166[/snapback]</div>

You are a strange, sad little man

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Jan 24 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]380176[/snapback]</div>

Oh yes, you are correct, one man's experience is the be all and end all....!

BS, you know precisely what you wrote, and how you meant it to be transmitted.

Perfect example of irrational drivel. Oh is it really fanciful to expect? 100% presumptious. Funny, you claim we don't fully know the situation, yet you come up with this. What if the kid was autistic? what if he had some legit mental disorder? etc., etc., etc., yet you've applied a blanket outcome... hmmmm...

Wrong, your viewpoints stem from core beliefs whereas you firmly believe some conclusion you come up with is totally irrefutable. All I do is sit here and watch not only yourself, but a vast majority of the PC justify your positions. There isn't ONE person here who is totally, 100%, balanced and rational, and THAT'S what makes it highly entertaining. Well, actually, there is ONE, but I'll refrain from posting up who it is... h34r:

Sure, once again, totally based on YOUR set of assumptions...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Jan 24 2007, 10:37 AM) [snapback]380169[/snapback]</div>

I was about to write the same thing almost verbatim. Right across the street are the neighborhood right-wingers with a child the age of mine. My child respects me and knows that I'll do exactly as I say. I don't threaten consequences, I promise them. And I've done it without once hitting my child or being removed from an airplane becuase of it (before my daughter was 2 years old, we spent 24 hours travelling to China from CA and she's been on 20 flights since then). The child across the street, on the other hand just has to whine a bit louder, and the threats are removed. "I told you yesterday that you lost outside play time today. But (now that you're whining about it) if you don't hit your brother any more then you can go ahead and play with the liberal child across the street who's well mannered." And you know what they blame the bad behaviour of their kids on? The fact that they use this "liberal" method of child raising. Wth? They spout off strict ultimatums and then do not keep them. The child quickly learned that nothing her parents say is set in stone. Yup. Liberals' fault all the way. You know... because we're so damn wishy-washyl

I do remember back before I had a child thinking how simple it would be to control kids. Oh yes. I had it all figured out. Kid screaming on the plane? Don't ask the kid to be quiet. FORCE That kid to be quiet. Well, surprise. I've learned a lot, and until you've got kids, please don't even bother giving us your sage advice. This is one of those rare times when you actually DO have to experience it to have any valuable input.

Right again! Errr... left?

Roger that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Jan 24 2007, 10:44 AM) [snapback]380175[/snapback]</div>

And definitely Roger that!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Jan 24 2007, 11:18 AM) [snapback]380062[/snapback]</div>

Nicely put, Sir.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darelldd @ Jan 24 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]380199[/snapback]</div>

You know what the best thing about this is?

YOU'RE the ones who have now taken off and started to use examples of how "right winger" kid neighbors you know of, are essentially out of control, I was merely the enzyme....!

PRICELESS!!!

 

If I would have done this when I was kid, my parents would have told me they were going to beat my a$$, and boy howdy did they mean it! I learned quickly to behave and do what I was told or it was time for a time out in the bathroom and I'd come back with a sore butt.

Did it scar me for life? hell no. they kept me on the right track, and I'm thankful for it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Jan 24 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]380175[/snapback]</div>

This statement is a reflection of your uncontrollable intolerant bias. h34r:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jan 24 2007, 02:38 PM) [snapback]380203[/snapback]</div>

Don't you have any compassion? Do you have any capacity for empathy? You seem so isolated.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jan 24 2007, 01:38 PM) [snapback]380203[/snapback]</div>

You know what the best thing is? In just about every reply you've had to Evan, you've demonstrated exactly the same behavior you accuse him of!

My favorite part was where he asked for your experience that would prove his experience wrong... a nice, easy opening for someone who actually had a rational argument to fortify their point. instead, your baseless, rash, accusatory posts have simply proved that, at least on this subject, we can ignore pretty much everything you say.

 

And yes, I've sat on flights where the kids were howling their heads off, kicking my seat and the parents thought it was funny and a joke when I said something to them about it. Yeah, its early, I'm traveling on a 4 hour flight and I'd like a nap before I have to go work until 1-2am in a different time zone prepping my equipment to do a dawn spray(5-6 am) for an EPA test.


but please ask the kid if she wants the snacks and juice for my sake, she threw EVERYTHING over the seat, right into my lap, thankfully the juice didn't make it, and I'm not allergic to the peanuts she had.


The plane was full, and no one wanted to do anything about the kid, but it was funny when I reclined myseat unknowningly right into the kid,whose booster seat shoved her forward-- she was removed and told that she needed to be quiet for once by mommy and daddy. I got 15 minutes of peace total on that flight. (don't get me wrong, I don't hurt kids deliberatly, I just wanted more room, and i did ask if the kid was ok...)

I agree with what the airlines did because I've seen the hell those spoiled brats cause first hand.