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Total lifetime cost for fuel and tires over 150,000 miles

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by F8L, May 17, 2012.

  1. F8L

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    I often make recommendations for replacement tires and I usually focus on the lifetime of a particular tire and the fuel savings it may produce. I have yet to perform a lifetime analysis of different tires over the expected vehicle life of 150,000 miles.

    I decided to play with the numbers using a few popular LRR tires and one non-LRR cheap tire.

    My calculations use the following constants:

    Fuel cost: $3.80/ga
    Total miles: 150,000
    Mounting/Balancing/Disposal Fees: $100 per set of tires

    I used the following tires in this rough analysis because I am fairly confident in their performance and mpg as compared to other models in this analysis.

    Kumho Ecsta ASX: $268/set, 30,000 mile warranty, 48mpg
    Continental ProContact EcoPlus: $324/set, 80,000 mile warranty, 49mpg
    Yokohama AVID Ascend (T): $376/set, 85,000 mile warranty, 50mpg
    *Michelin Energy Saver A/S: $366/set, 65,000 mile warranty, 53mpg

    Assuming 150,000 miles you would need to purchase:

    5 sets of Kumhos = $1,340 + $500 for mount and balance = $1,840
    2 sets of ProContacts= $648 + $200 = $848
    2 sets of Ascend= $752 + $952
    3 sets of Energy Saver A/S= $1,098 + $300 for mount and balance $1,398

    Fuel cost for each tire over 150,000 miles (150,000 / $3.80/ga). Mpg figures are not exact but are close enough for illustrative purposes.

    Kumho Ecsta ASX (48mpg)=$11,875
    Continental ProContact EcoPlus (49mpg)=$11,632
    Yokohama AVID Ascend (50mpg)=$11,400
    Michelin Energy Saver A/S (53mpg)=$10,754

    Summary of total lifetime fuel and tire cost ranked lowest to highest:

    1st. Michelin Energy Saver A/S=$11,550
    2nd. Yokohama AVID Ascend=$12,352
    3rd. Continental ProContact EcoPlus=$12,480
    4th. Kumho Ecsta ASX=$13,715

    Cost per mile:
    Michelin Energy Saver A/S= 7.886 cents
    Yokohama AVID Ascend= 8.160 cents
    Continental ProContact EcoPlus= 8.285 cents
    Kumho Ecsta= 9.143 cents

    The difference between the highest lifetime cost tire (Ecsta ASX) and the lowest lifetime cost tire (Energy Saver A/S) is $2,165! This just goes to show that a cheap tire doesn't always pencil out in the long run. The Energy Saver A/S was somewhat close to the AVID Ascend but it is worth noting I assumed the lowest possible cost for the Michelin by adjusting the price using the $70 rebate they offer. Should that go away then tack on another $210 ($70x3). It is worth noting that the Energy Saver A/S is the least expensive tire to run (assuming the rebates) on a cost per mile basis. The reason the AVID Ascend did so well in this comparison is the lifetime miles chosen favored the long treadlife of the Ascend. Push the lifetime to 170,00+ miles and the Energy Saver A/S would be have performed even better because a 3rd set of Ascends would have to be purchased.

    This analysis is a simple and rough exercise designed to get people to think of long terms finances and how tire choice can affect lifetime ownership costs. One could adjust the numbers for different tires or total lifetime mileage to determine costs that fit their needs and desires. One could also perform the same exercise for tire Plus sizing. Off the top of my head I would wager the cost of upgrading to 17s would cost well over $2000 over the life of the vehicle.

    Once we get solid numbers for the Michelin Defender I will add it to the summary. I need to know how mpg compares to the others.

    * Assuming Michelin $70 rebate used for each set of tires. A value worth $210 in this analysis.

    **edit**

    For the heck of it I am including a cost per mile estimate for upgrading to a 17" tire and basing the cost on a 3mpg loss compared to OE 15s. This assumes 47mpg and doesn't account for one tire being more fuel efficient than another since we don't really have that data. That being said it is a good bet to assume the EP422 is more fuel efficient than the Conti DWS. :) This should give you an estimate to see what you would spend to upsize your wheels as compared to the 15" wheel cost/mile.

    Yokohama AVID Ascend ($668/set, 75,000mile warranty)= 9.109 cents/mile
    Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 ($624/set, 65,000mile warranty)= 9.198 cents/mile
    Bridgestone Turanza EL400 (OE tire, $680/set est 40,000mile)= 10.035 cents/mile
    Continental ExtremeContact DWS ($456/set, 50,000mile warranty)=9.197 cents/mile
    Michelin Primacy MXM4 ($542 w/rebate 55,000mile warranty)=9.252 cents/mile
    Toyo Proxes A20 (OE tire $860/set est 40,000mile)= 10.485 cents/mile
     
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    Nice, this is how I analyze costs too.
    I am not clear though why you would normalize to 150k miles, rather than total cost for the tyre lifetime expressed as cents/mile. Also, I'm sure you rounded off tyre sets to whole numbers on purpose, but it introduces quite a bit of error.

    So e.g the Kumhos:
    Tyre set cost: $268 + $100
    Fuel cost: (30,000/48)*3.8 = $2375
    Cost per mile: 9.143 cents

    Compared to the Michelin A/S:
    Tyre set cost: $366 + $100
    Fuel cost: (65,000/52)*3.8 = $4750
    Cost per mile: 8.025 cents

    Impressive savings in money, pollution, and fuel. Pick any 3 out of 3 :)
    As an aside, most of money savings is from a long life tyre choice rather than the higher fuel economy.
     
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    I thought about that but the numbers are harder to understand although they are ultimately more helpful. I chose 150,000 because that is when many people sell due to the warranty running out. I think Toyota assumes this is the lifetime of the battery as well.

    I'm out enjoying my birthday now so if you want to perform the calculations for me I can add them to my first post tonight. ;)
     
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    I noticed that as well. The long tire life really makes a difference. I'll include the Kumho eco wing 100,000 mile tire later tonight.

    As fuel prices rise obviously fuel economy will play a larger part.
     
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    Can we assume the tires will last as long as guaranteed?
     
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    It depends on how you drive, your environmental conditions and how many miles you drive each year. It seems like most Prius owners get close to the warrantied miles or more because they do not drive aggressively.

    The best numbers have to go off of are the manufacture's warranty so that is what I used. I realize that these numbers are not exact. Some people may only pay $70 for mounting and balancing. This will shift the outcome a bit but not significantly. :)

    One consideration is how many miles you drive each year. A person that drives only 10,000 miles a year would never wear out the tread on a 100,000 mile tire before it dry rotted and became unsafe. :D
     
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    I wondered about that too. If the fractional (of rated) lives are similar, then the arithmetic does not change much. If anything, It probably favors the long lasting tyres because the fixed costs become a bigger part of the total cost pie.

    I was mulling over making a nomogram based on RR relative to a a standard OEM tyre tested by EPA. What do you think, Justin ?
     
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    I say go for it. We can make this as comprehensive as we like.

    As for rounding errors. I simply pulled the prices off TireRack.com and did not apply tax. Their tires are sold as whole numbers i.e. $94/ea.. :)
     
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    Nice work . What about the Ecopia 422 less than $58 each ( pre-tax ) ? This is with the $100 discount ( Visa card ) from GM and the price of $81.60 (free shipping ) at Tirebuyer matched by a GM parts department . The discount is now being processed . Hopefully all will go well .
     
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    I meant for this to be a fairly timeless analysis without having to rely on stacking rebates or sales. Fuel and tire prices will vary but sales through specific retailers is simply beyond the scope of this thread. :)
     
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    At your price (not sure where you got $81.60 from)= 7.96 cents/mile

    At Tirerack.com/Tirebuyer.com price 8.16 cents/mile
     
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    For the record, I was comparing the prices between TireRack and Tirebuyer.com and at least with a few of the tires like the Energy saver A/S, the price is the same after shipping. TireRack charges less per tire but they charge shipping ($40 to my area) and Tirebuyer charges more per tire but has free shipping. This could work well for someone who lives very far from a distribution center.
     
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    Oops, I forgot you didn't have a GenIII Prius (195/65/15). You were talking about the smaller 175/65/15. Thanks for the clarification. :)
     
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    Good find . The 422s' at $58 each will hopefully last for a few years making it a $ saver . When these tires begin to show excessive wear we'll likely go with Ascends .
     
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    Wow! Thank you for showing us the math. :)
     
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    My goal is to get 300,000 miles out of my 2010 Gen III IV. It has 83,000 now.

    I will get close to 100,000 miles on a set of tires. In Cleveland we get a lot of snow and I feel a lot better with snow tires. Based on the high miles I drive I will not use snow tires more than three winters.

    My goal is uses the OEM tires that came with the car throughout the summers until they are bald. After 3 years I plan on uses the snow tires in the summer until they are bald. I will need 3 sets of snow tires over the 300,000 miles I will keep the car.
     
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    'lifetime' sounds really nice :)

    We used to buy vehicles when they were 10-years old and keep them past 20-years old. Since moving to this area, we have had to change this habit.

    In this area we see very few vehicles over eight years old still on the pavement.

    In '09 we decided to buy our first 'new' vehicle [a Chevy]. In it's second year both rear shocks snapped loose and punched up through the wheel wells and into the interior of the vehicle. Our roads suffer badly from 'frost heaves', basically think of a speed bump that appears overnight. The ground spits the culverts up, and they stay up until the ground warms and pounding of vehicles pushes them back down again. They tend to appear in the fall or winter, and go down again in the summer.

    It is not safe to drive without studs in the winter [Oct - April].

    Buying our Prius in '11, we made the assumption that we will be trading it in at it's three year point [assuming it survives that long].

    We moved here in '05, and are slowly getting accustomed to life in Maine. anymore I find it hard to imagine keeping a vehicle

    My wife only puts ~30k miles on a vehicle each year. So I really doubt that we will get more than 90k miles out of this vehicle.

    :)