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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bhtooefr, Feb 26, 2018.

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    And there'll also be the 2ZR-FXE+P610 in the Auris - dual hybrid model strategy, as your link says. No diesel, just the 8NR-FTS (that's actually a bit disappointing, I was hoping they'd stop pandering to the NEDC with a turbo) and the two hybrids.
     
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    The 1.2 turbo is to keep up with the european-masses-downsizing-mindset, and with that a bit more of work (profit) at the shop. It would be enough the 1.5 Estec, but then with no DI and turbocharging, servicing would be low, wouldn't it? :D
    New 1.5 l petrol engine for the Yaris
     
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    I could even see the 2ZR-FAE that the US Corolla Eco and Corolla iM get, to offset the reduced low-end torque (maybe a detuned one optimized for lower RPM) from losing the turbo.
     
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    Valvematic engines were acclaimed but Toyota Motor Europe never really bet on those powerplants. 1.8 is also taxed in some markets...
     
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    How many markets nowadays still use displacement taxes instead of CO2 taxes? I think most of them are pretty far east, where the C-HR gets the 3ZR-FAE instead of the 8NR-FTS due to poor fuel quality anyway?

    Then again, CO2 taxes are based on the ridiculous NEDC cycle, not the real world, so that benefits the 1.2T, too.
     
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    #46 GasperG, Mar 7, 2018
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    New CVT with launch gear explained, nothing to do with hybrids but interesting non the less:


    IMO a simplified competition to ridiculous 10 speed AT that are surfacing elsewhere.
     
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    • adds an extra base model - "S" trim level.
    • XSE comes with Entune 3.0 Premium Audio as standard
    • No JBL audio option


    Hatch is Back! All-New 2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback Wows at the 2018 New York International Auto Show | Toyota Canada
     
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    Is the North American/Chinese Corolla and global Auris being consolidated into one model?
    It will be a Yaris hybrid since it is already smaller than the Corolla. Toyota could choose to keep the Prius c name, or use something else, here.
     
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    What is of interest is the increase in the CR of the hybrid(13), as compared to the conventional 2.0L engine (13).

    I'm still thinking how the hybrid can be compared to its conventional counterpart, in a race. Appears the hybrid 2.0 might do well.
     
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    2.0-liter Dynamic Force Engine, a New 2.0-liter Direct-injection, Inline 4-cylinder Gasoline Engine | TOYOTA Global Newsroom
    The expansion stroke of the non-hybrid is 13:1, of the hybrid engine is 14:1. The compression stroke is likely the same on both, with the hybrid having later valve closing. The difference in expansion stroke drops the hybrid to 107 kw (143 hp) versus 126 kw (169 hp) in the engine for non-hybrids. Really I could see them dropping the 13:1 compression engine in hybrids as well as difference in peak efficiency is only 1%, and both are more efficient than the engine in my gen III prius.
     
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    Possibly. But in mind, there's a certain subset of customers that buy Corollas and may not spring for the hybrid unless the price difference is stupidly small.

    I think he means a Corolla hybrid instead of a Yaris hybrid replacing the Prius c.

    It depends. I don't think a Yaris hybrid will sell any better than the Prius c. The Corolla hybrid could sell but I doubt in any large numbers unless it's marketed differently (i.e. we get the 2.0 litre HSD instead of the 1.8 litre HSD and it's tuned to be more fun while still getting Gen 2 or Gen 3 numbers. This way, it won't cannibalize Prius sales any further)
     
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    Or the Corolla hybrid will be the sedan.
     
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    Yeah, they could drop the CR, but y even going that route, if they'd drop the CR in some years or time to come.
     
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    It would be great to see the hybrid implemented in a corolla. But I don't think that would sell much, because lots of folks prefer the conventional corollas with their fascinating MPG.

    In my view, that might stymie corollas market share somehow.

    What you guys think about that?
     
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    Well lets say you sell ice-cream:
    1. Vanilla, Strawberry, or Chocolate
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    I find it hard to believe "You can have any color of Model A as long as it is black" works today.

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    Let's hope the "black model A, really works today"!
     
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    The issue in the US is our cheap fuel. A full hybrid system is adding $2000 or more to the car's price tag. Most buyers aren't going to care enough to pay extra for lower emissions, so they are just going to look at fuel savings. With the ICE model getting close to 40mpg already, they will decide to save their money and skip the hybrid.

    We've seen this repeatedly with the other hybrid models with an ICE twin. The hybrid making up 10% of the ICE sales seems to be the norm. Enough Corollas are sold to make having a hybrid version worthwhile though. Corolla sales won't be hurt beyond the current market shift to SUVs, but a hybrid model will further hurt the Prius.