Toyota Navi map update

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  1. randomwalk101

    randomwalk101 Active Member

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    Does this apply to us?

    Toyota Map Updates
     
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    I know it does not apply to my Trim Two.
    Try it and see. It implies that Garmin Express sees the SD card as a GPS.
     
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    Yikes...

    $150 if your not eligible for a free update according to the printed instructions I was reading.
     

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    I already tried that... Garmin express does not recognizes the SD card.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    I don't think Garmin data will work on the Toyota system anyway. They are both "messed with" differently. We are stuck with the $150-$300 Toyota data or a database that is out of date. Pearl S is out of date. (I can buy a new Garmin for less than updating the Toyota system, and Google Maps is free .) ;)
     
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    I got the same version that is in the My17 2016.05.01 off ebay... A whole lot cheaper than Toyota. Note that each SD card has a Ser. # and that is keyed into the software somewhere... I have not taken the time to find out where... SD Card 86271 OE184

    Pop out the old... pop in the new... turn on car... screen is black as it reads / confirms data... > options > map data > see new date..

    what changed... mostly POI's and very little road data.... so I have read.
     
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    I don't mean to hi-jack the thread, but is the integrated navigation system really worthwhile? What does it do that an i-phone maps function doesn't do? I am wavering between a 2 and a 3, and the navigation system is one of the principal differences -- but the 3 costs an extra $2000.
     
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    I would not think Nav is not the only different Perk that the 3 has over the 2? But to answer your question: Not really... get a Garman with Lifetime maps and traffic.. (7" is better to view). For ME the iPhone is JUST WAY too small of a screen.

    I have a My16 level 4 with most of the options... I have the nav when on split into two screens , One side is set to the lowest and the other side set to the resolution as needed. I like having the built in Nav... not likely to loose, get stolen, or left behind :)

    I have Nav from My04 and all my Pri (Gen 2, Gen 3, Gen 4) Also not sure if it is really more up to date over the Garmin I have ... but getting map update 4 time a year give one a warm fuzzy feeling that you DO ?

    With Nav you get other perks... I like the HD weather map (from Weather.com).. and the warning I get when on the road.
     
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    Advantages of built-in navigation:
    • The display is built in to the instrument panel. There is no need to mount a phone where it might come loose and cause injury or interfere with airbag deployment in a collision, and also no risk of being stopped by the police for using a hand-held phone in places where this is prohibited.
    • You don’t have to recharge your phone as often as might be necessary if it were operating in a navigation mode, with the display or GPS receiver running. There are in-car chargers, of course, but these still require removing a phone from a pocket or bag, which some people find inconvenient.
    • The navigation system works in areas where there is no cellular data coverage, or if the cellular network is malfunctioning.
    • There is greater privacy. Besides whatever information might be retained in the navigation receiver assembly itself, no records are kept of routes or destinations.
    Disadvantages of built-in navigation, aside from the cost:
    • The navigation database with maps and points of interest is updated only once a year, and then only if you buy a microSD card with the new database (list price $169 at Toyota dealers).
    • Turn-by-turn navigation may not be available outside of populated areas. I think the coverage is the same as for Lexus, which you can see on the Map Coverage page of the Lexus Navigation website.
    • Only some categories of points of interest—such as restaurants, service stations, hotels, supermarkets, parks, ATMs, shopping centers, and major institutions—are in the database. Many kinds of businesses are not included, and the listings can be out of date.
    • The real-time traffic information is received by HD Radio broadcast. If it’s available in your area at all, this may not be updated quite as often as other sources.
    • If you plan to keep the car for many years, updated navigation databases may eventually no longer be available. For 2016, it appears that Toyota offered the current (version 16.1) database in the U.S. and Canada only in formats compatible with model year 2009 and newer vehicles.
    • Some people dislike the navigation user interface, and unlike continually-updated smartphone apps, it’s highly unlikely to be improved after the car is sold. (It also won’t get worse, though.)
    • When the car is moving, parts of the user interface are disabled. This can be frustrating when traveling with a passenger, though I understand this feature can be defeated with a hardware modification.
    I hope this perspective is helpful. As has been mentioned, you may find the other differences between the trim levels more important—they certainly were for me.
     
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    My son quit using the navigation in his Prius v soon after he got his car when he found his Garmin provided more accurate results.
    The Three adds more doors to SKS. If you regularly carry a lot of passengers that may be worth it to you. I chose the Two personally.
     
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    I don't know where you found that update, but it does not apply. Maybe it is for a different region or something?

    The way it worked on <2012 was you bought the new sd card, put it in and you were good. You leave it in. I believe you could even copy the files over and over again to new sd cards and it would keep working. On 2012-2015(at least the small resistive touch screen models) it loaded over an encrypted USB that would only work 1 time and required an internet activation. It loads the update and the USB is removed. You can't install without another internet activation.

    Back on 2016+ again it is an SD card, but it is all encrypted based on the serial of the SD card itself, so if you try to copy the files you will get an error on the 2nd sd card. But you can put the original SD card into any compatible vehicle you want, since you have to leave it in and can't copy it. You have to buy the SD card from Toyota, or from a reseller who bought it from Toyota.
     
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    The Garmin update is for lower-end models that don't use the Entune system, I believe.

    We're stuck with the SD cards. That said, I suspect all of the Toyota secret sauce is in the Card Information Structure, so if you've got a way to change that...
     
  13. Steve_in_NJ

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    What year did Toyota start using microSD cards for the Nav database? My 2010 seems to use DVDs. I just today bought one on ebay for $9.95 - marketed as correct for my 2010 Prius. I figure it's worth the minor risk to get my 7 year old maps updated.
     
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    You don't really need nav updates. I used my gen 2's nav for 11 years and only once did send me down a street that had been dead ended. I was able to sort it out quickly where a self driving car might of been toast. Today I have a smart phone as a backup.
     
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    In my area (southern DE) there's tons of new construction - whole new neighborhoods going up in cornfields. The main N-S road out of here is getting new overpasses, etc. Trying to keep up with all that. It's true that my phone can back me up, but still I would rather have the car maps be up to date. If my $9.95 ebay fix works, then it's all good.
     
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    Note that any self-driving cars will use constantly updated maps - at least as new as what your phone has - and will likely have far higher-detail data than what your phone has (including object data to have a better idea of where things should be even when lane lines are obscured). Outdated maps won't be a problem there.
     
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    I just got SWMBO a TomTom 5200 for Christmas, it has a sim card in it and it updates maps and traffic (for free) every time you switch it on.
     
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    Many Garmin GPS units can be purchased with lifetime maps (4 per year update).
    When my wife & son had navigation issues with the Garmin a while back, they used Google Maps & Waze to get back on course. My son would not even consider the builtin navigation of his Prius v because it is so poor.
    He tried the Prius v navigation when he first got the car in 2015 and then promptly went back to his Garmin unit.
     
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