TOYOTA now has 5yr, unlimited km warranty (-and, conditionally, 7yr, with 10yr on Hybrid Battery)

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  1. hill

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    I get range anxiety - when the electric is almost used up in my wife's plug-in minivan. Or is that better called cash burning, gas using smog creation anxiety.

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    Don't recall a specific thread - but before I bought mine 31 months ago, I read a lot from PriusChat talking about it, which included some which were still going with huge kilometres, and from early 2000s. I only recall reading of a couple which didn't make it through the 8 or 10 year warranty period. And, there were very few I read about which failed before the car wasn't worth fixing for other reasons, but there certainly were a few. The only reasonably new car was a Prius c I think, and I can't recall the details as I wasn't interested in the "c".

    From memory, most were on individual threads something like "My 2004 Hybrid Battery Died", so would take a bit of searching.

    Mitsubishi Australia is on the record for saying they expect the drive battery in the Outlander PHEV to last "the life of the vehicle", though it's got an 8yr battery warranty.
     
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    I just looked - here Hyundai has 8yr, 160,000km warranty on the battery - for IONIQ which was released a couple of weeks ago, but I've not seen one yet. But - I wonder, with TOYOTA just releasing a 10yr, unlimited warranty on a car serviced by TOYOTA dealers, whether Hyundai will play catch-up.
     
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    In my opinion, improved battery warranties would be a real game changer for hybrid and electric cars and trucks that will be following.
     
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    sure ... but anyone who's had a good amount of capacity loss on their hybrid battery (phev or hev) can tell you that capacity loss is not part of the warranty, whether long or short. That 'capacity loss' warranty characteristic is unique to Tesla. Original Honda Hybrid capacity loss was so severe that they formed a class action. Although the class originally won, it was later settled out. The people that opted out of that class law suit eventually lost.
    Think I'm kidding? Download the warranty PDF & do a search for every instance of "battery". There are only about a ½ dozen. You will not see anything specific about capacity loss. So now you know. Now, if your battery completely dies? Yellow triangle every time you try to start? Now the plugin battery warranty will kick in. We who were early adopters with the Nissan Leaf found this out the hard way. However the class-action didn't really do that great. A rebuilt pack if you lost over 30% in the first year. Even so - many owners did lose that much. Plus you got a bunch of free quick charging. They got a "deal" for a $5,000 battery replacement once you lost over 30% in more than a year - which Nissan recently jacked up to $8,000. imo - a plugins' traction pack warranty is the Dirty Little Secret for most manufacturer's plug-ins. There are so many models now on the market, this may be getting better, I hope.
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    The old Honda hybrid, being a partial hybrid with a smaller battery, was more vulnerable to capacity loss, and more effected by it, than the Prius is.

    Full EVs obviously have the problem that any capacity loss at all results in loss of range.

    With the Prius, the engine and battery can work at the same time with any percentage from 0-100% coming from either power source. There are news articles of Priuses that at 200k miles lost 10% of capacity and had absolutely no observable effects, 1mpg or less loss. A Prius will still get substantial mileage even if it's battery degrades to half its original capacity(as long as it, or one of it's cells, hasn't completely died), since it only really uses that capacity to store energy that would have otherwise been lost to heat(braking, engine running higher power than needed for current speed, etc.). You'd have shorter EV mode range, but very similar mileage.
     
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