Featured Toyota to Debut Three New Electrified Vehicles for U.S. Market

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Tideland Prius, Feb 11, 2021.

  1. dbstoo

    dbstoo Active Member

    Oct 7, 2012
    Near Silicon Valley
    2017 Prius Prime
    Prime Advanced
    Just replied there too, challenging the assertion since the agreement was sealed under court order. As far as I can tell, the full agreement as not been made public.

  2. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

    Nov 3, 2009
    Austin, TX, USA
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    We only have 2 toyota phevs to look at the prius prime produces 160 g/mi co2, and the rav4 prime produces 210 g/mi using average US grid mix compared to the prius without a plug at 205 g/mi co2. By comparison the teslas - 250 mile range model 3 standard range rwd produces 110 g/mi and the model Y long range awd produces 130 g/mi.

    The greet model is extremely outdated when it comes to estimating greenhouse gas impact of battery packs as they estimated from short runs not the much more efficient production in large battery pack factories. The numbers are hard to come by but if you assume 100,000 miles on a long range 80.5 kwh tesla battery produced at the Nevada factory it adds about 30 g/mi even if the pack is not recycled or used as a second life grid back up. Even if you add this to the model Y long range it only produces as much co2 as the prius prime including manufacturing on the current US grid. Building a phev that is similar to a bev is going to to produce more ghg on the balance of the car. Still phevs are really good. As the grid gets cleaner longer range phevs and bevs are going to drop even more. Many of these plug in owners have already installed green energy including myself, and this makes it even better. Definitely if you use real 2020 figures a phev is not more environmentally friendly as you describe unless that long range bev is driven much lower than average. Still I would love toyota to produce more phevs.

    My guess is if toyota built a rav4 bev again with the model Y's battery packs and motors it would have a lower TCO than the rav4 prime. It all depends on ownership assumptions.
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  3. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Sep 19, 2006
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    2006 Prius
    Toyota is saying what is good for Toyota, but I do not think that is popular with US auto/policy makers such as GM. Not popular probably for the reason they do not want to have to compete with Toyota on PHEV/Hybrids.