Toyota Tundra in trouble?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ May 31 2007, 07:43 PM) [snapback]452886[/snapback]</div>

Help me out with the math here -

I tried 14200 cars per month times 12 months per year = 170,400 cars per year

I also tried 43386 cars per quarter times 4 quarters per year = 173544 cars per year

How'd you come up with 125,000?

Edit - oops. Never mind. There are only 12 months in a year, not 16!

43386 * 3 = 130158.

 

how about the millions of GM 350's with soft #1 exhaust cam lobes that GM quietly swept under the carpet. I must have replace at least a 150 when I worked in a GM dealership. And there was 5 other mechnaics doing replacements as well. In a town of 5000 people. Don't talk GM camshafts to me.

 

haven't seen a single one with any kind of trouble to date. neither has anyone DH has asked. and he's asked around.

oh wait. today they had one that didn't have a bracket to hold the plug for the trailer wiring harness.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frank Hudon @ Jun 4 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]455435[/snapback]</div>

Speaking of the GM 350, you remember the buddy of mine that I mentioned who had 3 separate TH700R-4 trannies go out? His 350 wiped its bearings and seized up. I don't recall him having trouble with his camshaft, but I also think it was replaced with an aftermarket one.

The end result of his experience? He got rid of his Chevy and bought a Dodge Dakota. He had to...the list of repair bills on his Chevy were far too expensive to keep it.

Speaking of Toyota trucks, my dad had a 1983 HiLux pickup with the 22R 4-banger. He bought it with a little over 100,000 miles on it. When he sold it, it had 223,000 miles on it. Because of its age it needed new piston rings; piston rings tend to wear out after 22 years of service life. That was the only thing it needed. He sold it to someone else, and that truck is still driving around to this day.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ May 31 2007, 11:59 AM) [snapback]452593[/snapback]</div>

Or maybe not -

2007 Monthly sales:

Jan: 6321
Feb: 9669 - +3348 over previous month
Mar: 13196 - +3527 over previous month
Apr: 14200 - +1004 over previous month
May: 17727 - +3527 over previous month
June: 21727 - +4000 over previous month

I hope GM and Ford are paying attention, because if the trend continues, they'll be in serious trouble.

 

Toyota bashers don't really bother me except for the unpleasant attitudes. Anyway, no matter how much they criticize, point out recalls of Toyota vehicles and delude themselves in to actually believing that American cars are just as good as Toyotas, the American auto industry's market share keeps going down, Toyota's keeps going up, and I keep seeing more and more Prii on the road every day. Yes, here, in the heart of the American auto industry.

 

Why, because Toyota can't make a camshaft? I don't get your statement: "Wouldn't it be a hoot if GM turned out to be the subcontractor."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ May 31 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]452905[/snapback]</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ May 31 2007, 01:35 PM) [snapback]452656[/snapback]</div>

Right ... but isn't it an irony that malorn revels in the slow sales of Toyota's guzzler, but NOT GM's many many many gas guzzlers.

 

Not really....Malorn SELLS GM trucks. He SHOULD have a bias in GM trucks vs. the Tundra, which is the first foreign truck to really challenge the full size American truck market. Most of the argument here was Malorn's misguided notion that the Tundra is a failure, when the reality is that ALL full sized trucks are failing in direct proportion to the gas price. If it keeps going up, thousands of full size trucks will flood the used car market as suburbanites realize they don't live on a farm and don't need a full size truck as much as they thought they did. The real users of these trucks would be foolish to buy a new one then, when the market for used ones will be awash in trucks previously used for daily commutes, and can be had for very cheap.

 

whenever something new comes out there are going to be issues, look at the older prius, some had recalled steering racks and stuff, the new tundra, well the engine is a new generation so there might be issues.

but the key here is :
at least toyota remedies the problems with recalls while other companies ( includes some japanese brands too ) do not care about the customer

plus since toyota is a new leader in the truck segment the media is going to of course bash toyota like theres no tommorow ( just like how they did with the prius )

my thought is toyota released the tundra with this V8 as a test bed for the lexus ls series, which feature a engine based off the tundras but with direct injection and modified bore and stroke

at least Toyota recalls their problems

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(statultra @ Jul 24 2007, 03:21 PM) [snapback]484290[/snapback]</div>

Toyota is not a "New Leader" in the truck segment. Toyota is a "Also Ran". Even if they hit their yearly sales goal they will only have about 10% of the full size truck market and still be in 4th place. GM and Ford are the leaders in full size trucks with just about 1 million sales each per year. Dodge comes in behind. Right now Toyota is competing with Nissan not Ford, GM, and Dodge on a unit sold baseline.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Jul 24 2007, 03:48 PM) [snapback]484278[/snapback]</div>

The final irony will be that when GM wastefully bleeds its final drop of fiscal dollars into its advertising ... continually trying to sell their bloated inventory of oversized 1970's style land boats, and end up in bankruptcy ... Toyota will buy up the worthless GM stock for pennies on the dollar in bankruptcy court. Then Malorn will be selling Toyotas. Who will he have left to criticize then?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jhinton @ Jul 24 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]484332[/snapback]</div>

It's wise to be more forward looking. The Prius was not a "New Leader" at one time. They cracked the top 10 selling vehicles list (or was it the top 10% ... I don't have it in front of me) all the while Lutzt couldn't say enough bad about it. But in this case, it's likely that Toyota's guzzlin truck will not only continue to grow in sales, but will catch GM & Ford, simply because less and less people are stupid enough to buy such wastes.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Jul 25 2007, 01:06 AM) [snapback]484562[/snapback]</div>

What? This comment seems to contradict itself. If fewer people are stupid enough to buy such "wastes", why will Toyota sell MORE guzzlin trucks?

My whole point is that BOTH Toyota and the domestic truck makers should quit pumping money into a vehicle segment that is DECLINING. Unless gas prices come down, or at the least, don't go up much more (Highly doubful), then this segment is going to continue to shrink. You don't pump big bucks into marketing and production for a declining commodity!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Jul 25 2007, 10:16 AM) [snapback]484638[/snapback]</div>

Simple. (exagerated example) If GM / Ford sell 1,000,000 a year & Toyota Trucks maintain current sales, by default, they'd be catching up. Ok, I don't like that Toyota sells land boats ... and yea I didn't word my earlier statement so well.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Jul 25 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]484651[/snapback]</div>

Your logic makes no sense. If the everyone stays at the same volume then Toyota by definition cannot be catching up. They would be staying in the same spot which would be a minor player in full size trucks.

2006 sales:

Ford F Series: 796,039
Chevy Silverado: 636,069
GMC Sierra: 135,529
Dodge Ram: 364,777

So even if Toyota sells 300,000 per year which is unlikely, they are still number 4 at about 10% market share.

Yes, the Prius is very successful and has done very well for Toyota. But Hybrids are a niche market that Toyota has dominated from the start. Full size trucks are a very mature market that Toyota is trying to break into and one with a very loyal owner base.

 

And one sure to decline in proportion to future gas price hikes.
Toyota's truck sales would then by default decline ALONG with GMs.
The only way Toyota's venture into the full size truck market is successful is if China suddenly decides they don't like the cars they've been buying up and stops using gas, thereby reducing the gas price for the macho guys that need these vehicles.

 

Al least Tundra is doing a hell of a lot better than its Americans competitors in terms of # of days of supply per http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1185807863...hs&ru=yahoo.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ May 31 2007, 11:59 AM) [snapback]452593[/snapback]</div>

Holy Crap! Ford and GM better pay attention -

2007 Monthly sales:

Jan: 6321
Feb: 9669: +3348 over previous month
Mar: 13196: +3527 over previous month
Apr: 14200: +1004 over previous month
May: 17727: +3527 over previous month
June: 21727: +4000 over previous month
Aug: 45900: +24173 over previous month (!)

I think its Ford and GM that may be in trouble now. I hope they're taking this as a serious threat to their dominance in the truck market.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mini2prius @ Sep 3 2007, 09:58 AM) [snapback]506267[/snapback]</div>

Well, anyone can move a car or truck when they slap 5000 worth of incentives on the hood, as Toyota is doing with the Tundra.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Sep 3 2007, 11:59 AM) [snapback]506301[/snapback]</div>

Probably true, though I wonder what happens in a couple of years (3? 5? 10?) when these people who were "lured" into buying a Tundra by incentives are ready for a new truck. Will they stay with Toyota or not? That is the danger I see for Ford and GM - that they, like you, will simply ignore it and attribute it to the incentives instead of at least considering the _possibility_ that it is a valid threat to their market share.