Trump vs CARB / Freezing CAFE standards

and yet, toyota didn't sign the pact with cali

 

Selling non-hybrids is probably more profitable for them, but if companies are allowed by governments to focus on nothing but their short-term profits, the Commons will continue to degrade.

 

I know what the "rules" are...............
But how can you have this discussion without saying something like:
This is just further evidence that Trump is MORON and has no business being the President.

I don't find that particularly disconcerting because it can be fixed, if not with the next election then when his second term expires.
I DO find it more than a little disconcerting that about 35% of the general public seems to still thinks he is doing OK.

 

Well, I think "Orange is the new yellow-brown-smog!"

 

I don't think that is possible.
I just checked my settings and don't see any way to do that.
Are you sure it was a PM here.....and not an email ??

 

You've forgotten the motors. They have a lot more copper than the alternator and starter, which costs a lot more than the steel and aluminum saved in the smaller engine and transaxle. Plus there is the inverter and other supporting systems for the EV side.

 

Which is ironic, because it looks like Toyota has the most banked CAFE credits:
CAFE PIC Credit Status

Higher CAFE standards makes those banked credits more valuable to trade to automakers who need them for compliance.

Then again, Toyota also went all-in on FCVs, so I don't really follow their thought processes.

 

I think that feature is often called a real time "chat" and is quite different than a "private message".
If that is true......yes, I block "chats" on every site that has that feature.

EDIT: Upon more searching, it appears that on this site the software authors have chosen to depart from the standard convention.......and that the usual "private messages" may indeed be called "conversations". Now to look for the setting.

Found the setting and it is ON now.
Try again.

 

There is a huge issue with California being "off-the-reservation"and super strict.
California was given freedom to fix their local smog problem, and then Calfinorina switched the objective to address climate change for the naiton, and mandate elecric cars etc.

I do not think anyone is opposed to smog reduction, but we do not need a national electric vehicle mandate to accomplish that.
All of the auto makers are having to put all of their R&D effort in to meeting California extremism mandate goals, and this has effect on the whole Country.

We have to put this genie back in the bottle, and regrettably perhaps the only way to do that is accept Calfirnia standards and mandates as a national mandate on the basis that we take away Cali's unilateral approach.

 

idk, i like clean air. it beats lung cancer

 

Los Angeles actually has multiple strikes against its air quality:

(*) Population, very large;

(*) Geography, such that weather inversions severely trap pollution in the basin;

(*) Geology, considerable natural hydrocarbon emissions (off-shore seeps) pre-prime the local atmosphere for photochemical smog, leaving less margin to soak up human emissions before conditions turn bad.

 

California isn't the only area that has a smog problem: AirNow

In fact the South East has many of the same smog-friendly conditions (e.g. hot temps, lots of cars, etc) that the LA basin does. The difference is that California take's the problem seriously while the SE lets their population suffer.

A national EV mandate (de jure or de facto) would have wide ranging benefits across the country, even if it was introduced for fighting climate change.

Note: A big reason Obama's Clean Power Plan was shown to be a net benefit, even though it was to fight climate change, was that it would also greatly reduce smog/smoke air pollutants. The cost increase to consumers/the power industry due to the regulation was vastly outweighed by the reduction in health costs from less asthma, lung problems (think COPD), heart disease, etc. A national EV mandate would probably find the same.

 

Yes.
Please resist the temptation to turn this discussion into a political fight.
If you really want to have those discussions, I think there still is a sub-forum under Fred's Pancakes dedicated to that.......but you must ASK to have access to it.