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Urban CO2 dome

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. bwilson4web

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    Looking for something else, I found an interesting paper on urban CO{2} concentration:
    http://www.atmos.berkeley.edu/~inez/MSRI-NCAR_CarbonDA/papers/barnet_refs/2000GL012632.pdf

    It turns out urban CO{2} studies have become somewhat popular and worthy of study. Obviously the concentration of CO{2} in developed countries should peak around cities as well as combustion power plants. But this 2001 paper points out over Phoenix:
    • CO{2} concentrations show constant above 850 hPa (~5,000 ft)
    • maximum CO{2} temperature increase around 750 hPa (~8,000 ft)
    • surface warming from CO{2} << than other effects
    Urban CO{2} studies provide insights specific to the warming effects of CO{2}. One interesting side is the the degree that ". . . our simulations with the Chau et al. model do not include water vapor feedbacks that typically elevate the global temperature response to increased CO{2}. Furthermore, there is no evidence that atmospheric moisture levels in Phoenix have increased at the temperatures have risen."

    Gosh, a city in an Arizona desert does not have more water at higher temperatures? . . . I'm shocked. I love how professional papers can understate the obvious. <grins>

    Regardless, the importance of OCO-2 makes even more sense. Google found another 2012 article about urban CO{2} in London. The reason is these local concentrations of CO{2} means we can study isolated areas where the concentrations are in the projected ranges of global CO{2}. Thus heating effects in dry, wet, cloudy or other variables and their effects with CO{2} can be used to improve and tweak the global models.

    CO{2} is not the only greenhouse gas and though I understand the global, black-body model, real life is more complex. So I appreciate these step-wise improvements in our understanding.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Actually I am surprised that Phoenix air has not become more humid. It is a city of lawns and golf courses in what would otherwise have been desert.

    Perhaps it is a similar signal/noise ratio problem that makes global humidity increases difficult to quantify.