Vigil in Providence, RI tonight for 1000 war dead

On every single message board I frequent, there is at least one conservative republican whose every political post :guns: SCREAMS :cussing: their points in glaring fonts and colors. I've actually never seen a liberal or "progressive" (for those of you who think liberal is a bad word) yell like this. I don't understand this. Republicans are in political power in this country. What could they possibly be pissed off about?

Most "liberal" posts are very calm and methodical, explaining their points. Most "conservative" posts try to raise living hell with their screaming. I'm not gonna piss anyone off by explaining why I think this is. I'll just leave it at that.

But really, where's the love? Aren't we trying to learn from eachother, as opposed to tearing each other's freakin heads off?

 

Let me just add how super cool it is how when I tried to type in all caps, Priuschat actually calmly popped up a dialogue window suggesting I might want to try not yelling. Kudos!

 

All I want to know is what happened, when and why did liberal become a dirty word in this country?

Coming from a liberal in the most republican state in the Union.

 

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Try being a liberal in Texas. :lol:

 

I'll vouch for that, bigbald

 

I apologize for implying that you or Prius04 were doing that. Your big word post just reminded me of this common practice and I used this thread to bring it up. Didn't mean to sidetrack the topic.

Yes I did read every post in this thread. I just had nothing to contribute. Prius04 is saying everything for me. I also believe it's not a big deal whether or not this vigil thing is politically motivated or not. Who cares who put it on if politics are not discussed at the event and it's entirely about mourning the deaths of soldiers. If it were put on by "Republicans for Bush" or what not and the event itself had nothing political occur, there's no harm in that either.

I also apologize if it looked like I "flew off the handle." I'm not sure where you get that impression. Unless it's from the large type. :lol:

 

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Hey Manny,
About Republicans, and more to the point Democrats, in Idaho as opposed to Texas. In Idaho we only have 5 elected Democrats at the State and Federal levels combined!!!

 

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No, it wasn’t your use of large type. I understood that you were using it as an example. My impression of why you “flew off the handle†has to do with you accusing me of being a “conservative republican.†And yes, we should be trying to learn from each other. But “jumping off the handle†and calling someone a “liberal†or a “conservative republican†and stating that most “liberals†post calmly and methodically and that most conservatives don’t - is not conducive to learning anything, except maybe the other person’s boiling point.

When it comes to the dignity of fallen military personnel, I am a rabid conservative (not as in a political conservative) and do have a low boiling point.

You said, “I also believe it's not a big deal whether or not this vigil thing is politically motivated or not.â€
What if the tables were turned? What if, for example, the vigil was for you? You were killed in action at UFPJ’s upcoming street demonstration because you got a little to “visible and assertive†per UFPJ stated goals. Now the “conservative Republicans†are holding a “vigil†in your "honor" to point out that your death was pointless, that “liberal†protesters should stay off the streets, and as proof that no other young people should join UFPJ, Win Without Wars, or MoveOn.
Would you feel that their “vigil†was an attempt to honor you, or and attempt to twist what you stood for???

I would never attend ANY memorial that had ulterior motives . . . sorry, not even yours.

 

No. Once again, the original HTTP link I found “linking†MoveOn and UFPJ is the HTTP link to the winwithoutwars.org site where they mention UFPJ.

The http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2206 HTTP link which you like to repeat so often as lacking a “link†is where UFPJ mentions the “Scarey Stuff†. . Which IS scarey to a lot of folks, not just me.

But since you wanted a direct link between MoveOn and UFPJ I gave you the link for UFPJ’s “Member Groups†list at http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879


Here is the trail from moveon.org to United For Peace you asked for. AGAIN!

1) “ . . .working together through the Win Without War coalition to make this possible.â€
http://www.moveon.org/news/vigils-tonight.html

2) “. . . the Win Without War coalition, our member organizations, and others including UFPJ . . .â€
http://www.winwithoutwarus.org/

3) “ . . .• Working to counter military recruitment of young people . . • Opposing the occupation of Afghanistan and U.S. support for the Israeli occupation of Palestine . . . • A visible and assertive street presence . . .†(AND OTHER SCAREY STUFF!!!)
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2206

And here is the direct link back to MoveOn from UFPJ.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1879
But you must make the effort to scroll down to “MoveOn†. . . I can’t do that for you too!

Please stop the semantics game and don’t make me type in large font again for fear of being accused of shouting. . . or being a "conservative republican."

 

The crux of this semantics game you started is when you wrote:
“Wow, you make a list of "stated goals" of an organization that is "affiliated" in some way with another organization that is "affilitated" in some way with moveon.org.

You thus imply that therefore moveon.org professes those "stated goals""

I don’t know why you don’t have a link, or can’t see the “link.†I gave you three or four HTTP links that “link†(as in “associateâ€) MoveOn to UFPJ. But you keep harping on having me prove “moveon agrees with UFP in every way.†I never said any such thing. . . or even that they agree with most . . . or even several of UFPJ's goals.
I dare you to try to prove that I did.


More off topic stuff:

Oh my God, stop the press! Socialist France and Germany prefer Kerry!!!! Why should we give a crap about what France has to say about defending the USA? Maybe we should ask France to build us a Maginot line while we are at it.

Care to educate me? Show me a HTTP link proving that Allen Keyes said, “homosexuals caused communism and nazism.†. . . or anything closely resembling that. I may actually learn something here, but not being a big Allen Keyes fan anyway, I really can’t defend him as I know very little about him . . . but go ahead and educate away.

You love to make statements, but never back them up with HTTP links.
I’m waiting and willing to learn.

 

"What I'm trying to point out is that no member of any group can be held responsible for things said by other members of that group, never mind an "affiliated" group."
I agree. But nor can I conclusively confirm or deny that “moveon agrees with UFP in every way.†as you have asked me to, because of MoveOn’s secretiveness to the public of exactly what it is MoveOn stands for. You are a member of MoveOn - You tell me.

My point is that attending a “vigil†that is sponsored by UPFJ lends credibility to that for which UPFJ stands. PERIOD! The fact that MoveOn is a member of UPFJ only increases my suspicion that the “vigil†had ulterior motives because of UPFJ's radical stand on the military.

If I heard Allen Keyes say, “Come join me in San Francisco for a “vigil†to “honor†those who died of AIDS†. . . there is no way in hell I would attend for fear of lending credibility to Allen Keyes. (See, I learned something about him)

"As for Germany and France..... I was simply pointing out that citing "many people" for an argument is irrelevant."
O.K. So France and Germany are irrelevant when it comes to electing a U.S. President. - I Soooo agree with that!
My use of "socialist" was to help point out the differences between the USA and France . . . and the fact that a “left leaning country†has more people who are for a “left leaning†presidential candidate is SO irrelevant!

If France wants to be a socialist country, so be it. VIVA LA FRANCE!!