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VW Delivers The First XL1

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by El Dobro, Jun 4, 2014.

  1. Troy Heagy

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    It eliminates the Ekectric mode and saves ~6000 dollars off pricetag. And the Focus saves on maintenance too:

    Tranmission fluid flush? Yes on both.
    Radiator fluid flush? Yes on both.
    Brake fluid flush? Yes on both.
    Hybrid coolant flush? Yes on the Prius but no on the Focus.
    And on
    and on
    and on. The end result is the Focus has 1 less maintenance item them the Prius.
     
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    Acessory belt
    turbo
    engine starter
    alternator
    clutch
    clutch pumps (2)
    brake pads wear faster
    tyres wear faster

    You keep forgetting these "minor" wear items that would not last for 260kmiles...
    And resale value...
     
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    Tyres wear faster on a nonhybrid? Um. No.

    More likely they wear faster on the heavier car (the hybrid), because there's more weight to accelerate and slow down.

    Besides it's doubtful Prius would last 260kmiles either. It might need a new trans-fluid pump, or HV electronics, or high voltage battery. I recently looked at car complaints & the number one was from owners of Priuses that needed a new HVB at only ~125,000 miles. The number one complaint with Cmax hybrid was a dead 12 volt battery (it dies on a weekly basis & owners are fedup). The idea hybrids are less maintenance cost is pretty well debunked.
     
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    You have proof of the opposite throughout the internet regarding long term ownership, lots of perfect running Prii over 300k. While nothing on the tiny 1.0 3 pot Focus, and the 1.6 ecoboost is really not good at it.
    Trying to underline the bad actors seem a bit odd when Prius is chosen as taxi worldwide with tremendous acceptance.
     
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    I'm not sure how this is related to the xl1;)

    Indeed for the prius there is FUD smeared that the batteries would die right away. Years of data shows that that is all it was was FUD. When you are talking 260,000 miles though, a individuals cycle is very different than a cabs cycle. Average driving, that means 20 years, and its likely that many of the batteries will lose capacity in 20 years. The oldest pri are from 1997, and many of their batteries have failed, or they have gotten in wrecks, etc. Newer batteries were introduced 11 years ago. Probably a better measure is where these cars will be in 10 years, and how much they will have depreciated. My guess is that focus ecoboost will require higher maintenance, mainly on the brakes if it isn't driven by a true hypermiler. If its a manual it will need new clutches. It also will cost less than a prius liftback to purchase.

    The XL1 really should require more than the focus or prius, but hell its an over 100,000 euro car. People are not going to fret about some yearly maintenance.