VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

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  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    If the non-compliant cars were ones without SCR(urea and water), and the newest models now have it,
     
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    Does this put an immediate halt to the sale of new cars that don't comply?
     
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  4. Jeff N

    Jeff N The answer is 0042

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    Good question. It's hard to see how VW can certify that the new 2016 cars comply with the emissions regulations and I'm guessing they can't be sold without the certification.
     
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    bwilson4web i3 and Prime

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    If they were detecting an OBD device, someone with a Scangauge would have the emissions working . . . and any mileage hit.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    This quote from the NY Times says that the emissions were manipulated by a "defeat device", which only allowed the full emissions control systems to operate during testing. That would imply that if the defeat device was re-programmed via a recall to do this all the time, the cars would be compliant.

    "The Environmental Protection Agency issued the German automaker a notice of violation and accused the company of using software known as a “defeat device” in 4-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-15. The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing. Only during such tests are the cars’ full emissions control systems turned on. During normal driving situations, the controls are turned off, allowing the cars to spew as much as 40 times as much pollution as the legal standard required under the Clean Air Act, the E.P.A. said."
     
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    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    Whew! They sure are lucky they did not deflate the tires, now THAT would get them in trouble!

    OTOH, *mod insert/edit* please leave political opinion for the political forum, thanks
     
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    If I were a VW owner (which I will never be) I wouldn't want it to be fixed. Fixing would mean higher fuel consumption, less power and worse MPG.

    Then let's arrest VW and put him/her in prison for 10 years.

    do diesels have OBDII?
     
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    So is the implication the EU versions of the cars make quite a lot of NOx?
     
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    I would be willing to bet there is a market for a "cracked version" of this sw out there.
     
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  12. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    I do not think the US EPA has a dog in the fight over EU emission testing scams, that will be a separate issue by some other agency.
     
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    "In California, to do an emissions test, testers don't stick a probe up the exhaust, as you would suspect. Instead, they just do a visual test to make sure nothing was tampered with and then plug a scanner into the OBD-II port to read the codes. The news today basically says that the cars were programmed to send out false codes, giving readings that testers are looking for instead of what's actually going on."

    VW air rule violation allegations 'stunning,' $18B fine unlikely
     
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    same here, haven't used a probity probe in years.
     
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    Over the years, I have looked at Jetta TDI claims and compared them to the Prius. But tonight, I replaced all of my Prius vs Jetta JPEGs with:
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    For me, easy, but think about the "Greenhuman" 'Portland-to-Portland' stunt. Worse, the Jetta 'fan-boys' who paid good money for a "clean diesel." As for VW/Audi, they did it to themselves.

    The lies of VW:
    • 'sporty' - VW turns off emissions controls to get more power to the wheels. No one knows the 0-60 times with this bogus software.
    • 'efficient' - VW turns off emissions controls to get higher MPG that shows up in the user metrics often being higher than the EPA rating. It is likely the EPA numbers are close to the true values than many would care to admit.
    • 'clean' - VW turns off emissions controls outside of the EPA test protocol.
    Bob Wilson

    ps. Where to I file my labor hours analyzing false VW Jetta performance?
     
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    Shame on Volkswagen. Double shame on Volkswagen. I would NEVER consider buying a Volkswagen car again. It should be banned from the United States. That is the only fitting punishment for a car maker who deliberately has been polluting the environment. Shame on Volkswagen. It confessed to it. It is guilty as sin.

    Volkswagen Group must recall 500,000 diesel cars for cheating on smog tests | Ars Technica

    Volkswagen "clean diesels" are not clean at all. They pour out 40 times the legally allowed amount of nitrogen oxide. Then they cheat on EPA testing to hide this.

    Volkswagen may face a fine of $37,500 PER CAR for its crime. It may face billions in losses for fraud. Obviously its diesels are not "clean".

    VW cheated on U.S. pollution tests for 'clean diesels' - LA Times

    EPA Says VW Intentionally Violates Clean Air Standards - ABC News

     
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    Buyer's market for all VW/Audi, TDI diesels:
    • Visit dealer and get price for stripped and top-of-the-line models. Leave with "I need to see my banker."
    • Between now and end of month, return and offer to buy top-ot-the-line for the stripped price.
    Bob Wilson
     
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    Although this may be a good intellectual or bashing discussion, it really doesn't matter to most of us because the VW products are riddled with reliability and high cost maintenance problems. I know first hand.
     
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    VW wants to be #1 in the world. This is going to be a big setback against that goal.
     
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