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  1. RRxing

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    Think of how much higher that percentage would be if auto repair shops and Toyota stealerships weren't such a rip off when it comes to making repairs the way DIY folks do it on Prius?

    I bet if you re-phrased the question to say, if the cost to repair your Gen2 Prius was 10% of what they quoted it to be would you still be driving it?

    The love people have for their Prius is amazing... But when cost of repair is unfairly higher than the total value of the car, the frugal nature of Prius owners takes over!
     
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    Really you are so right! The government ought to subsidize fixing Prii batts etc.
    Got a RAV4 Hybrid now at 14 years
     
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    Nearing retirement & looking for what'd likely be the last car we buy ... who'd pay $45K for the PrimeRav4 + $5K to $10K over msrp?!? If the service department doesn't drive away customers ... the stealership sales critters pretty much finish up the job!
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    Wow, the top 5, and 7 of the top 10!
     
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    Hmm $50k for a well built car that will last several hundred thousand miles with very few of any problems or a car straight from the factory
    With build quality issues for $50k (n)
     
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    That would be hard on the manufacturers, but it would be good for the environment. I can imagine a "cash for clunkers" type program that is focused on keeping high efficiency, low emissions cars on the road. That would be really great. I'd bet that leaking traction batteries are one of the top reasons that older prius are retired.
     
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    For most of us $50K is how much Prius owners need to cover ALL EXPENSES OF THEIR ENTIRE LIFE to survive for many, many years... But then again, when your super expensive advanced tech car that can't scale is so advanced the only community you have for your alt. energy Toyota is on PriusChat. Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the plight of poor people and how affordable it is to live the way you do?
     
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    I’m surprised Avalon isn’t on that list. On iSeeCars reports of the percentage of vehicles over 200,000 miles, the Avalon is the car with the highest percentage. All the rest of the top 10 are trucks and SUVs. Prius does well too, just not as well as the Avalon.
     
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    Well Japan apparently exports their Prii/all cars to other countries after 5 years old, due to their laws somehow discourages holding onto cars. That's maybe why we got no Japan interest in this site, they have newer problem-free Prii. Not sure if my Prius is in Mexico, which might be a good thing. If anyone finds my lost fountain pen, please PM me here. However, probably it was recycled to get the Platinum from the cat converter and sent to China as scrap iron dust.

    Hybrids are unethical here, so I expect no love from the Dems.
     
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    Sadly hybrids really don’t have a leg to stand on in our political/ taxation / lobbiest arenas
    Which is very unfortunate

    In the case where the Sierra club didn’t like a particular BEV tax they got it legally overturned in court

    In the case of indiscriminate hybrid taxes the Sierra Club could care less, green advocates will go on a diatribe about ice, Euro zone folks will go ape not understanding many Americans drive thousands of miles in distant sparsely populated rural areas and the “other” guys will spout off how every hybrid should pay thousands of dollars for road repair and that business pays too much for roads already.

    No where in this mess is an advocate only way you could force the issue would be if hybrid owners would complain but many feel great they are paying more to repair infrastructure.

    Self fulfilling prophecy
     
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    It might be that in many lists the Avalon is counted as a Camry. Many years ago Toyota did some restructuring of their cars in order to increase their ratings in certain categories. The first gen Prius, for instance, was classed as a "sub compact" despite being roomy enough for four passengers (in comfort) and close to the same size as a Camry of the same vintage. The "sub" appellation was largely due to the small trunk. Gen II gained 6 inches of length and a hatchback and suddenly it became a compact.

    Around the same time, Toyota was including the Avalon in the sales figures. That was logical since the Avalon was based on a stretched Camry chassis. It also helped make Camry #1 for a long time.
     
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    I wish any car Toyota or not last longer than 10 years on NE salted winter roads. That being said, for the last three Prius, the ownership length was all less than 3 years. Currently, it is cheaper to buy a new PP every year than keep it 15 years, even if it does last that long.
     
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    Also Detroit is pushing for full electric BEV, I speculate couple reasons. They always hated oil cos. but bigger reason they do not want to compete with Toyota Honda on Hybrids. If we focus on BEV for USA, then as we know Japan is not making that push, so that leaves Detroit in better position.
     
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    How is that possible?
     
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    In Northeast and CA, with a deep Toyota discount and local incentives and fed tax credit, Prius Prime can be purchased below $20K, and drive for a few year and sold for more than what was purchased for. I sold 2015 Gen3 and traded in for 2017 PP with a few $K out of pocket, then traded 2017 PP to 2020 PP no money, then recently sold 2020 PP (10mo old and 4k miles) for $4K more than what I paid for.
     
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    That list is testament to how well Toyota builds cars. I don't think I ever have owned a Toyota vehicle that i put less than 150,000 miles on.

    Our tops was a 1985 Toyota Tacoma that went 275,000 before we traded it in on another Toyota.
     
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    Clearly they are not taking care of their car very well... Regular washing of the undercarriage and in extreme conditions getting another layer of undercoating painted on would make a huge difference.
     
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