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We're not getting 99.9 mpg ! Just sayin... :) !

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by PriusNeckBeard, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. PriusNeckBeard

    PriusNeckBeard Active Member

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    Ok, hear me out...

    (Caution: unnessary, academic, or fun exercise ahead - feel free to bail out if you are not a total math person, ultra-realist/literalist, or grammarian..)

    Soo..., FWIW,
    We don't really ever get 99.9 mpg.

    I see people saying this on PC.com...and yeah, that's fun to say. I say it too..
    It's a very cool feel-good statement.
    I like saying it myself, when people are in the car and I want to use a handy way to demonstrate the prius concept --hey, look i'm getting 99.9 mpg down this hill.. Pretty cool! Love it.

    But actually, there are more than one way to look at it.

    Here are a few choices:

    1. The dashboard says I'm getting 99.9 mpg.
    yeah, whatever ! read on.

    OR:

    2. In that exact moment, I'm getting 'infinite' miles per gallon. or..umm.. 1 mile per 0 gallons.

    i.e. for demonstration purposes:
    If I go down a 1 mile hill in neutral:

    I'm getting 1 mile per 0 gallons.

    Which means: 1/0 = infinite miles per gallon.

    Or, as I'd rather say in the real world:

    1 mile per 0 gallons.


    3. If I look at the 'trip', it could be 100 miles per gallon

    On a two mile trip,
    if the first mile was 50 mpg,
    then that long down hill,
    that's 2 miles traveled, using 1/50th of a gallon (during the first mile)
    doing the math that's....
    100 miles per gallon.

    Or, if you don't manage things tightly, maybe 45 mpg for the first mile?
    That's:
    90 mpg.

    Still not 99.9 mpg..

    4. Or, using something more akin to apples to apples...like, an energy flow diagram or something:

    If I'm on a flat section
    And accelerate and then go into neutral..

    or climb a hill, neutral it down and coast on the flat other side

    Whatever those are I'll guess it averages to 40-60 mpg, since that's the average for most prii..

    I'll say...50 mpg (of course!) lol


    ok, that's all I've got.


    So..

    Besides the mpg gauge on the dashboard, I've got:

    - 1 mile per 0 gallons
    - Infinite miles per gallon (lol)
    - 100 miles per gallon,
    - 90 miles per gallon
    and
    - the keeper, 50 mpg.

    None of those are 99.9 mpg!

    :)
     
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    oh! my head.(n)
     
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    Or you're doing 49.95 mpg for the first mile and 0 for the second... 99.9 mpg!
     
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    I'm sure the 99.9 upper limit is intended to avoid ridiculous MPG averages when you shut down and a calculation is generated. Infinite mileage would always produce an infinite subset. Too high an upper limit would skew the MPG average too high when calculated. Indeed, based on how many complain that they don't get numbers that match what the car calculates, they may already have the upper limit too high for accuracy.
     
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    We have a winnah !!

    Oh..umm..yes. you are correct.
     
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    As far as I know, the computer does not keep an average of averages, this would be extremely inaccurate. What it does keep track of is total fuel used. It then divides the odometer reading by total fuel used to get the MPG. I'm not sure why it reads 5-7% high but almost all cars seem to suffer from this.

    I believe the 99.9 mpg is a result of them only having 2 digits and one decimal place on the display. On the gen 4 they cap it at 199.9 mpg. This way they avoid code of having to mode the decimal place or code in something besides a number. Just my guess.
     
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    Next, do the same exercises for Japanese (km/liter) and Canadian-Euro (liters/100km) displays.
     
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    There are numerous inaccuracies; for starters, many vehicles (including the Prius) report fuel consumption on the instrument panel display based on MAF sensor and oxygen sensor (A/F ratio) readings, not injector readings, even though injector readings correlate better with actual fuel used (although, even that is inaccurate--Toyota vehicles sum ten injector pulses per cylinder and then transmit that information to the ECU, which then averages it). A 2014 fleet study by HEM Data found an average 2.8% discrepancy between displayed and measured fuel economy.
     
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