What do you think about the Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act of 2010

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by morgantilton, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. RRxing

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    Well it only took 2 pages of posts before we got someone who doesn't have a problem with this law.
     
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    This is not true at all for modern car engines. They are quite quiet. I have had acquantances, in a playfull manner, dally in front of my car in a parking lot while I was driving. And they said that was sure quiet, then, I tell them the engine was running, as it does during the stage 1 warmup, and they very confused then.

    Ever hear something like a Fit or the other other smaller cars now common in a suburban main street cruising along at the speed limit. I have seen them, but I have not heard them. They are too quiet, and the SUV tire noise overcomes the small car tire noise.
     
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    Exactly. If it were about pedestrian safety, it would apply to all quiet vehicles, and there'd be studies attached that prove quiet vehicles are more dangerous.

    And why do car makers suddenly care about pedestrians? Everybody knows people only walk because they're too poor to afford bus fare, let alone a car. :rolleyes:
     
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    Pretty broad statement. Also, walking is the ultimate form of saving energy, making EV's look like energy hogs.
     
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    Sorry, that rolling-eyes-smiley needed a more sarcastic cousin. I do a fair bit of walking myself - we're on the same side here. :)
     
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    mikewithaprius New Member

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    In a Gen II? NEVER!! :p
     
  8. zenMachine

    zenMachine Just another Onionhead

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    Q: Why does the chicken cross the road?
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  9. morgantilton

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    In response to DarkStarPDX:

    Section 3(a) does say that the requirement refers to new electric or hybrid vehicles:

    "(2) requiring new electric or hybrid vehicles to provide an alert sound conforming to the requirements of the motor vehicle safety standard established under this subsection."

    However if you read section (e) you will see that the government is considering extending the law to "conventional motor vehicles":

    "(e) Required Study and Report to Congress- Not later than 48 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall complete a study and report to Congress as to whether there exists a safety need to apply the motor vehicle safety standard required by subsection (a) to conventional motor vehicles. In the event that the Secretary determines there exists a safety need, the Secretary shall initiate rulemaking under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, to extend the standard to conventional motor vehicles."

    Apparently it is possible that the law could extend to other vehicles that are already on the road.
     
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    All existing motor vehicles? Not just new ones? Does the definition of 'motor vehicle' for the purpose of this minimum-noise-bylaw include mopeds, motorcycles, and electric bicycles?
     
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    Why road vehicles? Surely an electric vehicle operating in a pedestrian environment would be more of a risk? I'm thinking golf carts or electric vehicles in airports.
     
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    All the airport buggies I've seen have big flashing lights and loud horns. That seems to work - a steady minimum noise doesn't seem necessary.
     
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    You have my vote. I would be very happy if my Prius sounded like that!

     
  14. morgantilton

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    The term motor vehicle is defined in section 2 (4) as:
    ...a vehicle driven or drawn by mechanical power, and manufactured primarily for use on public street, roads, and highways, and does not include a vehicle only operating on a rail line...
    Then the clause says that trailers are not included.

    Also, the term 'conventional motor vehicle' is defined as:
    "a motor vehicle powered by a gasoline, diesel, or alternative fueled internal combustion engine as its sole means of propulsion."


    Mopeds, motorcycles, and electric bikes would be included in the law, according to this definition.
     
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    This is a knee jerk, reactionary, ill-thought-out law in my opinion. The fact is, very few people are blind and in need of a noise-maker. The vast majority of people are fully capable of seeing a vehicle that poses a threat to them navigating a roadway. So the simple and polite solution for everyone involved-- assuming there's even a need for such a law-- is that we require a short-range transmitter in quiet vehicles that activates a small, relatively quiet alert device in a blind person's cane, or wrist watch, or pendant etc. that gets louder the closer the vehicle is to them. Problem solved for everyone, and at very little expense, and almost zero annoyance to anyone. The only problem I see with this solution is that regulators and politicians lack the simple intuition and rational thought to come up with or approve such an idea.
     
  16. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    And pedestrians would associate that noise with a danger from cars, not UFO landings, as some noises I have heard.
     
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    Total and absolute BS!
     
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