1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

What is this Putty?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by andreimontreal, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. andreimontreal

    andreimontreal Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2019
    325
    107
    28
    Location:
    Montreal
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    I see this on the metal surface of cars - what is it? It seems to be a "putty", applied to the car body in specific spots. What is its purpose? Why is it there?

    I was working on my Prius mod, and stepping on the surface I broke a few pieces. That is under the rear bench but I've seen in it in several sports (for eg under the spare tire if I remember correctly). It's pretty brittle and porous. It's almost like a cookie made of tarmac. Please enlighten me; that's the most ridiculous thing I've seen in a car's construction.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  2. Usle

    Usle Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2018
    317
    139
    0
    Location:
    Me
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    Sound deadener, vibration damper.
     
  3. nick31

    nick31 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2018
    63
    30
    0
    Location:
    SoFl
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    Ain't deadening sh*t in my car. Gotta get that noico or maybe I'll splurge on the dynamat.
     
    bisco likes this.
  4. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    107,801
    48,998
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    poor man's
     
  5. trentofdestiny

    trentofdestiny Master Finagler

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    1,104
    225
    0
    Location:
    Harrisburg, PA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I would guess that it's shot out of a gun by a robot in parallel lines that form a sheet. And that's probably faster than using an actual sheet of material.


    iPhone ?
     
  6. Grit

    Grit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2017
    6,114
    4,040
    1
    Location:
    Wilkes Land
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Think that's awful craftsmanship, look in the Prius C wheel well sidewalls.
     
  7. fuzzy1

    fuzzy1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    17,123
    10,049
    90
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Are you sure? Have you taken it out to make a comparison? :)
     
  8. nick31

    nick31 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2018
    63
    30
    0
    Location:
    SoFl
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    I cannot talk to a passenger next to me at a speed over 75-85mph because of noise. So yeah I think prius factory noise insulation is a joke.
     
  9. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

    Leadfoot J. McCoalroller Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    6,844
    6,487
    1
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius c
    Model:
    Two
    Makes sense, continuous feed fluid probably works out better than reloading a roll periodically.
     
  10. padroo

    padroo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    2,763
    2,250
    13
    Location:
    Chesterton, Indiana Another third world country.
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Cars have used that stuff or something like it forever.
     
    dubit likes this.
  11. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

    Leadfoot J. McCoalroller Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    6,844
    6,487
    1
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius c
    Model:
    Two
    Those super-quiet and smooth-riding 70s Cadillacs and Lincolns about got about 200lbs of asphalt squirted into the floor pans. So a Prius should get by with 4oz of blown polyurethane, right?
     
    fuzzy1 and padroo like this.
  12. hesty24

    hesty24 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2019
    11
    1
    0
    Location:
    San Antonio, Texas
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    Ah, I remember my Caddy. Best ride ever. I guess I got use to my car noise, but yea, they are pretty loud. I suppose if one spent some time applying a sound dampener in the car doors, fire wall, underside, and trunk, they could probably quiet it down a bit. I am just too lazy to do it.
     
  13. fuzzy1

    fuzzy1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    17,123
    10,049
    90
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Not testable in my state, for lack of speed limits that high.
     
  14. Elektroingenieur

    Elektroingenieur Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    2,515
    3,253
    9
    Location:
    California
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three Touring
    Toyota’s term for the material is “laminate coat,” and as @Usle kindly notes, it’s there for dampening.

    If the laminate coat is damaged or must be removed for body repairs, the Collision Repair Manual (more info) for 2010–2015 Prius cars (BM1290U) shows, in a diagram on page PC-15, the locations and thicknesses of silencer sheet that is to be applied as a substitute.

    Collision Repair Information Bulletin #43 (PDF) gives Toyota part numbers 58651-22H91 and 58651-22H90 for 1100 × 800 mm sheets in 3 mm and 1.5 mm thicknesses, respectively, and suggests using 3M 051135–08080 trim adhesive. If thicker sections are needed, the replacement material is to be built up in layers.
     
    mjoo and Mendel Leisk like this.
  15. ChapmanF

    ChapmanF Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2008
    23,327
    15,111
    0
    Location:
    Indiana, USA
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    Has anybody seen a 58651-22H91 in person? What does the stuff actually look like? I'm finding only line drawings.
     
  16. Georgina Rudkus

    Georgina Rudkus Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2018
    3,125
    2,182
    0
    Location:
    Taylors, SC
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    It's actually there to stiffen the sheet metal and to prevent a phenomenon called "oil canning." Antique oil cans had a flexible sheet metal bottom that made a heavy clicking sound like the old "cricket" noisemaker so famously issued to troops during the D-Day invasion, so that troops could recognize each other to prevent "friendly fire."
     
  17. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,728
    38,255
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    I could maybe use that on our central heating furnace's return-air ducts. A few years back I paid a bunch of attention to the woeful state of all the ductwork; one by-product was occasional oil-canning, which I periodically chase down.
     
  18. The Electric Me

    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

    Joined:
    May 22, 2009
    9,083
    5,796
    0
    Location:
    Undisclosed Location
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I'm assuming...
    That car manufacturers are going on the reality that 90-95% or more of their eventual owners will never see that putty. It's only those modifiers or few that for whatever reason are stripping down their vehicle to do projects that may see it. For a vast majority? They could own the vehicle for it's lifetime with themselves and maybe never see that material or if they do? Not really care.

    So I'm assuming in it's application the priority is cheap and fast and easy.

    (insert inappropriate joke here)
     
  19. audiodave

    audiodave Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2017
    783
    268
    0
    Location:
    US
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    Dynamat extreme did wonders for my tin can 04 Prius. Inner and outer doors, floor and trunk area. Even some on the roof ceiling. Doors close with a solid sound. Course it also helped the audio system too.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.