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What Might Be Happening with these Warning Lights?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by deedee, Sep 3, 2019.

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    A few months ago I had the interior of my 2009 Prius detailed. Guy who did it left a LOT of water in the interior. When I started it to drive away, there was an array of lights on: the dreaded red triangle warning, steering light, and brake light. Had the car towed to my competent mechanic, but not Toyota since they're soooo expensive.

    The mechanic kept the car for about a week. Lights would go on when first started, then go off. Error codes as follows: C1300, C1310, U0129. He finally said it was probably the brake module, but before spending $2000 to replace, he suggested I replace the 5 year old starter battery. Seemed to work fine for a few weeks.

    Two or three times since, I have had a few other issues with warning lights. Twice I got the brake warning light. It went away after 5 and the 20 minutes or less. The last time I got the light, when it stayed on 20 minutes, I brought it to Toyota. By the time I got there, no lights were on. He said it could be low brake fluid. Nope he checked and brake fluid was fine. He said since the light was no longer on, diagnostics wouldn't show anything. He suggested possibly happened because there was a terrible storm in the morning.

    Today while parked in a parking lot, I got the dreaded red triangle light, the ABS light, and the emergency brake light was on even though the emergency brake wasn't set. I drove a few feet back and forth, and the brakes did seem a little weird. But after about 5-10 minutes of starting the motor and turning it off, all warning lights went on. I drove home and all was fine. Braking was fine. Warning lights didn't appear again.

    One more thing. Today, horrible thunderstorm early this morning. 10 hours later when going home is when the lights went on. The time before that when I got the brake warning light, there was also a horrible thunderstorm in the morning, and I got the warning light at the end of the day, 10 hours later. I don't recall whether it had rained the one or two previous times I got the warning light.

    Does anyone have an idea what's happening? If I bring it to Toyota with no warning lights on, I think they're going to blow me off again.
     
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    how many miles on her?

    might be worth testing the new 12 volts health
     
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    146,000 miles. Where to find instructions on the voltage of the starter battery?
     
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    Oh, found instructions to check battery. On my way to do that now.
     
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    12 volt battery with no engine running 12.7 volts. With engine running 14.1 volts.
     
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    i would go back to the mechanic for his opinion of why it worked for a few weeks after he replaced the battery.

    it does sound like a moisture problem, but not sure how it relates to the detailing, other than he might have gotten something wet that was going to become a problem in the rain eventually anyway.

    did it rain at all for the time it was working after the battery install?
     
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    Standing water anywhere near either the 12V battery or the HV battery is going to cause trouble. I believe you should take a look under the back panels to see if there are any signs of moisture or corrosion. You don't have to go as far as taking off the panel over the HV battery. If there is moisture present you will see it before you get that far. The panel over the 12v battery, the one over the storage compartment on the other side and the one over the spare tire are probably all you need to remove, and you shouldn't need any tools to get them off.
     
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    After the interior detailer left water all over the car, my mechanic took everything apart, including the carpeting and the battery compartment. All the wires under the carpeting were exposed. He left all of the doors and the hatchback open. It was left inside the mechanic’s garage that way for over one week so that everything could dry out. But only replacing the 12 volt battery made the lights go off. While the mechanic had it and before he replaced the battery, he would drive it every day. Lights would be on at the beginning every day, but go off after a while. Only after replacing the 12 volt battery did the lights finally go off for several weeks.

    I think I got warning lights four times in two months since the battery was replaced. Always happened when starting the car up after sitting overnight or after it was parked in the parking lot where I work. I only remember that there were severe storms for incidents 3 and 4. I really don’t recall what the weather was for incidents 1 and 2. It was in the morning and it could have rained night before, but I just don’t recall.

    All of the wires under the carpeting, of course are in those plastic corrugated tubes, so who knows if there’s corrosion. Don’t think I want to pay hundreds of dollars on a 10 year old car with 146,000 miles to check out or replace the wiring, only to perhaps discover that they cannot find anything wrong.

    Before replacing the 12 volt battery, the mechanic said the codes show the brake module is bad. But if he replaces the brake module, we don’t know for sure if that will fix the problem. He says brake module will be about $2000. For that amount of money, I think I’d be better off getting a new car.

    Was just hoping someone had something similar happen and could suggest a solution. It’s really unnerving to see these are warning lights. Everything else on the car works fine. Hate to trade it in just yet.
     
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    will he install a salvage brake (actuator i'm assuming)?
     
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    Since the 12V battery has tested good, I would think the next best piece of advice we could give you would be to get yourself a scan tool that is compatible with hybrid cars (something like this,
    ), along with the Torque Pro or Dr. Prius or Hybrid Assistant app to read all the codes your car is reporting. There should be more than the 3 you mentioned. C1300 relates to the Skid Control ECU and does not necessarily indicate that the brake actuator (the really expensive part) is bad. It could be a communication problem between this ECU and one of the others in the car, which might be one of the effects of having water in the car's interior. I could not find anything on the other 2 codes you mentioned. Possibly they relate to cars other than the Gen 2 Prius.

    Are you absolutely certain that the water came from the detailing? It's hard to believe that something like that would leave puddles of water in the car. I would think that the job would only require small amounts of cleaning solution, which would evaporate almost as quickly as they were applied. I have had water on the floor of a car I owned (not one of our Prii) and it took me awhile to realize that it was actually coming from a leak rather than something I had spilled. The Gen 2 Prius is known for developing leaks along the welded seam under the rubber strip on either side of the roof. Depending on the orientation of the car when the rain is coming down, you may not even experience a problem right after a rainstorm. If the car is facing uphill, the water would be collecting in the hollowed-out areas near the back of the car containing the spare tire and 12v battery, where it could not do much damage unless there was really a lot of water. Then, when you actually drive the car, it could slosh forward into the area where the HV battery resides along with all of its electronics and cause some of the problems you are experiencing. I don't think you need to worry about corrosion on the wires that are protected by plastic insulation. The area where you would have a problem is at the connections to some of the components, where bare wires are exposed to air (and water, in this case). That sort of condition would be much easier to deal with than extensive corrosion elsewhere. You or your mechanic would only need to seal whatever leaks were found and clean up the connections with a wire brush.
     
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    I’ve never had any water issues with my car. I take the mats out every week and wash them I see the carpeting underneath when I do that. It’s always dry. After the incompetent detailer was finished with my car, when I ran my hand along the carpeting on the back floor, water was pooling up along with bubbling soap. It was pooling in front as well. Not sure why he used so much water/soap since I can’t remember anyone ever even sitting in the back seat of my car, so it was immaculate. No question, what he did was overkill. I just wanted everything inside to be freshened up since the interior had never been shampooed before. After all, the car is 10 years old.

    I had to have the car towed when he was finished because of all of the warning lights including the red triangle. The tow truck driver said sometimes disconnecting and reconnecting the battery will get the lights to turn off. The top of the battery was all soaked. He had to wipe it down. So was the whole back of the car under the hatchback. Funny, though, he forgot to shampoo the removable carpet. It was completely dry. He told me to bring the car back when I got it working and he’d clean the rear removable carpet. Again, everything under that movable carpet was immaculate, and he soaked it. It wasn’t wet in one spot. The entire back was very wet.

    Since I’d never seen any warning lights previously, and when I got into my car, still inside his detailing garage, all of those warning lights went on when I turned the car on, I can’t help but think he caused it. At least, he caused the lights to go on that time.

    I asked a Toyota mechanic about the codes that my own mechanic was getting two months ago when the saga began. He looked them up and knew exactly what they all meant. I don’t remember myself, though, this was 2 months ago. My mechanic said every few years, they will get a car situation where they just cannot figure out what’s happening. Mine was one of those cases.

    Today is Thursday. The car has been fine since Tuesday. When I had brought my car to the Toyota dealship the previous time I got a warning light (not the same warning light as I got on this past Tuesday), they told me they can’t run a diagnostic on it when there are no warning lights on (they have always turned off after a while). Anyone know if this is true?

    For what it’s worth, there have been plenty of days when it has rained, and I didn’t get any warning lights.

    So I will order the scan tool, I guess, then try using it the next time I get the warning lights.
     
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    Researching scan tools. All seem to say it won’t give diagnostic codes for brake light and/or ABS light.
     
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    Yes, I had forgotten the tool I referenced is suitable for scanning hybrid system issues (which seem to be the more common ones with these cars) but to query all of the car's ECUs, you will need Techstream, with something like this,
    , along with a laptop that should not be used to access the internet. That is a little greater investment, but would be worth it if you plan to keep the car a long time and want to be able to fix the exact issues without using a scatter-shot approach.

    Also, FYI, when you disconnect the 12V to clear the warning lights, any codes will be erased from all of the ECUs' memory, but if the lights go out on their own, the codes that gave rise the warning lights are retained in memory and could be read by Techstream. In the event you don't want to spend the money to get the Techstream setup, your Toyota dealer would be able to read them for you (for a fee, of course), even when there are no lights showing currently. Disconnecting the 12V is a neat trick to allow you to get your car off the public roads to a safer location if it otherwise refuses to move, but it should not be used on an ongoing basis, as the problems that are causing the error codes will only worsen over time.
     
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    Sounds almost like a flood car. :eek:

    Both this nonsense and hosing down the engine bay are extremely risky actions, can cause expensive, even irreparable damage. :(
     
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