What Would You Pay for a 2010 High Mileage Prius?

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  1. c.ortiz108

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    I'm looking at a clean Prius that had one owner. It's been well cared for, with all the maintenance done at the dealer. The guy is selling it for his parents who "babied" the car, he says. It has 245k miles, though seems to drive perfectly fine. Maybe a little sluggish at initial acceleration (which I know is usual in a Prius, and this is the first Gen 3 I've ever driven. I've owned 2 Gen 2s).

    He's asking $4,000 for it but he'll take less - possibly a lot less. He got a company car and wants to be rid of it.

    I learned from @rjparker that Gen 3s often have issues with head gaskets, oil consumption, brake booster, inverter, EGR system, and intake manifold.

    So I'm wondering what kinds of bills I could conceivably be faced with if I buy this car? I'm thinking if it's cheap enough and I factor in some repairs, it might be worth it. For example, if I get it for $2,500 and expect to replace the hybrid battery in a year or so, that would mean the car cost me $5,100 or so (the car costing more than a new battery). Which is fine unless all this other stuff goes wrong.... And I'm not mechanically inclined.

    The seller is going to check with his parents about any recalls or major servicing, but stressed that they always took care of any problem immediately. He also says that since he's had it (less than a year), he's kept up with oil changes and that there's been no indication of excessive consumption.

    So what would your advice be? Should I head for the hills and keep looking? Or is this a feasible buy?
     
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    the car is almost worthless at this point. if you find it sluggish compared to your gen 2, that's a red flag.

    i guess the best way to judge value is to compare it to lower mile gen 3's. they are all susceptible to the same problems rj mentioned, and no one can tell you which, if any, will develop down the line.

    you could be buying a nice little car that gives you decent service, or a nightmare that spends most of its remaining life in the shoppe.
     
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    I will add that if you can work on cars, DIY style and have no issue using a weekend here and there,
    then it could be a great deal esp if you can get it cheaper than asking.

    If you dont do any of your own work and would rely on a dealer or other shop/mechanic to take of the work,
    then yes run far away...and fast!....unless you have been very lucky in your life :)

    I just got rid of a 2015 Prius. (yes with the "upgraded" rings and pistons model year) with only 35k miles on it.
    AND I can do my own DIY and have the time...and second car to take my time :)
    I never, ever had a problem in that car, but always the what, if, when, why.
    I chose not to do the EGR cleanings and etc, I just said bye and moved on to Gen4
    Yes, my opinion and everyone is different.

    Good Luck
     
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    So even a Gen2 with with that kind of mileage would be better? Not that I'm seeking them out, but it seems every one that's advertised lately has high miles.

    @dig4dirt so basically you got rid of your 2015 because it's a Gen3? There's that much risk of failure even in a later model?
     
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    Not familiar with Gen2, but MANY here are. They are obviously older, so higher mileage.
    They have their own issues, but not nearly as wretched as Gen3.

    Being on this forum for so long, seeing so many posts about the EGR, it was a matter of
    why do I need to think about this all the time.
    Yes every car can have its problems or not.

    2014 had new pistons i think, 2015 got the new rings.
    Some think that was not the correct "fix" toyo should have done, but focused on the EGR system. much more, or also.

    Risk? well some 2015's popping up here with the issue.
    But the thing is, many many details too small to maybe even find with a lot of research.
    To not go on and on, first some associated with short trips and not having the engine warm up fully.
    The 2015 we had mainly was used to take the kids to school about 10 blocks away....(short trips :)
    and we live in the NE with cold/snow the works...so in winter had to take a long haul to "warm up" which wasnt much.
    Gen 4 has a redesigned EGR system.
    Prime came along and after they switched from 4 seater to 5 seater, Was really eyeing it up, drooling.
    then had an unbelievable offer from carvona (this past july) for the 2015 and could not turn down,
    so yeah had to say a happy bye to the 2015

    Now the Prime we drive pretty much all electric with the gas for trips.
    I have outlet in garage but also have blocks away free charging.
    Honestly, the 15 to 21 Prime upgrade was under $4k out of pocket with all rebates and 2015 offer.

    This is just my scenario and not everyone's will be the same.
    No way to know any others situation.
    I wanted to keep the 2015 until the wheels fell off, but hey, everything happens for a reason I say.
     
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    We all have an opinion, so I'll express mine. I think you got spooked by the forum focus on what goes wrong. I have a 2010, yes with the "bad" rings and egr, now in year 13 with 103,000 miles. It runs perfectly, uses a little oil but not much. I have done nothing but oil changes and finally coolant change at 100,00 miles. Yes, it could develop problems later but you had lots of miles before you would have had a hint of a problem.
     
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    Knowing what I know about the early Gen 3 Prii, I would only take that high mileage 2010 if it were free.

    Then I would do the intake manifold and EGR cooler cleaning and run it till it develops something major like AC compressor, blows a head gasket, bad HV battery pack, etc.

    If I had to buy it, I'd take a hard pass on it.

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    Kind of amusing when a smart buyer is asking about the viability of buying a 245k mile gen3 and he gets advice that says "my" 100k gen3 has not seen any of those over 150k issues so go right ahead.
     
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    Sorry man, you misinterpreted what I said. I was responding to the guy who sold his 2015, not giving advice to the guy who is considering the 245k. Please notice who I quoted.

    Seriously, It bothers me when people are scared away when they come to a forum, any forum, and read all the negative comments. You can criticize me if you like for hijacking this thread. Again, I was responding to a guy who sold his 2015 at 35k.

    As far as the OP, of course it is a huge risk to buy a 2010 at 245k.
     
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    My bad...
     
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    So I asked for more details about the service history and he said "every recall and all maintenance were handled immediately," and "there have been two computers replaced in the car since purchase."

    More recently, they put in a new starter battery. In the past two months he replaced the water pump at a cost of $1,200; and also had to "fix mouse damage on the hybrid system wire harness" which cost him $800.

    Does this change any opinions?

    Knowing now that he's spent $2k on it, he might not be willing to sell it cheap enough anyway.
     
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    No, all the real issues are still there especially 245k miles.

    The above is another issue. There could be more issues with frayed wires that have yet to cause problems. Buy a non hybrid economy car like a Corolla or Civic 4 cylinder in your price range. Hopefully well under 150k miles.
     
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    i would be very concerned about rodent damage. most dealers will only replace the $7,000. wiring harness. they can be difficult to repair long term, and difficult to diagnose when the repairs go bad
     
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    +1 to bisco.

    Might want to pass. Personally I would pass unless I was looking for a project car or something.
    Again, if you do not DIY this could cost lots and lots at any repair shop, let alone a dealership.
    Might be the start of the beginning....as in many parts are gonna fail soon.
     
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    Check if the ECO button was pushed: it remaps the accelerator, to "passive-aggressive" mode (very sluggish).

    That's a red flag. With 245K miles, you're waaay overdue to clean the intake manifold and full Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system. Toyota's not really stepping up on this one, and dealership doing it? For starters that's almost impossible. And if they do, it'll cost: they likely will only swap parts, and you're close to a grand there. You have to be prepared to DIY, to make it feasible. Actually, at 245K neglected, probably best to go straight to head gasket replacement, coupled with a thorough head inspection (by machine shop) and clean the intake/EGR while you're in there.

    I'm probably the instigator of that, likely urban myth. I think in fact what happened is rings AND pistons changed in tandem, sometime through model year 2014. The transition VIN is in the attached.
     

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    Okay, you guys convinced me (y). I'll keep looking. Even "normal" cars are high mileage, over-priced, and seem few and far between these days.....so I guess I just need to be patient.
     
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    Here is real example, I bought 2010 V with full package except LKA on 234k from 2nd owner, 2.5 years ago for $3.6k.
    The car gave minimum trouble other than the accident (my fault) After buying I realized misfires at small speeds due to clogging at intake manifold. Recently, cleaned it and installed an oil catch can and now runs very smooth and quiet. It pollutes environment less but it clogges itself :) So it needs EGR cleaning about every 100-120k
    The other thing is I bought it without knowing all these information, learned at here thanks to this forum. You can find everything about it and it's great car to work on, if you like to.
    The list I ve done so far,
    1-regular oil and filters change, max 6 months (used to burn oil now very less burning)
    2-transaxle fluid change
    3-intake manifold cleaning
    4-occ install
    5-pcv replacement
    6- Two new tires ( after one flat)
    7-Extra filter for traction battery cooling vent
    8-just ordered 12v battery (lasted 8yr)
    Will do EGR cleaning with replacement of spark plugs and ignition coils soon.
    It is now on 253.5k and I expect it to run 100k more at least.
    Also, it was mostly (%80) highway miles when I bought it's important factor to me.
    Check this list out and if recently done or if you ll do these, it's great car for the price. People mostly forget but the highest expense of a car is gas :)


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