Who is plunking down $1k?

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  1. 4rpr15

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    Model 3 looks VERY ugly to me compared to the Model S. I would be interested in the Model Y SUV coming out. Model X is also cool, but ugly.

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  2. bisco

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    is there a pic of the model y yet? will it have the stupid falcon doors?
     
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  3. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    I assume you are referring to a used Model S? If so, I'd much rather a Model 3 from a technology standpoint. I want the very latest AP hardware upon purchase since we will be using it for lots of road trips.
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Both of these comments are in the eye of the beholder. I think there is some functionality in the falcon wing doors, but I do realize a lot of people don't like them. I would be surprised if the Y has them since they will go for simplicity for obvious reasons.
     
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    Haeeey !!!

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    ok maybe i agree
    don't tell - 'she-who -be-obeyed' because i'm already on her s___ list

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    I have mixed feelings about the aesthetics of the Model 3 (largely viewing angle-dependent). It's the most attractive EV in its price range by far. Given the retro fender look of the Prius IV, the complaints about Model 3 ugliness ring hollow to me. The rear-end of the Prius has always been a problem area for me, but IV takes it to new heights.
     
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    well, we are talking model y. as for the 3, you can't expect tesla to lead in every aspect. it's not bad looking.
     
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    To be fair, and I didn't quote him, but 4rpr15 did preface his comment last Friday by knocking the Model 3. I was just playing thread catchup.
     
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    Yet I presume you're still gunning for that FCEV unicorn? The 500k-long Model 3 waiting list must be particularly irksome for you. ;) Leafs are butt ugly and useless for anything beyond short day jaunts. The batteries also aren't cooled so the already limited range will diminish in short order anywhere in the southwest.
     
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    Not exactly icy cool summers in the southeast either.
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    new leaf looks good, air cooling doesn't.
     
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    Humm....I guess you have not seen the new 2018 Leaf!
     
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    With the savings on a leaf, I would not be too concerned with longevity of the batteries. Nissan stands behind them, and in California we are protected for 10 years.
     
  14. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    They have very specific guidelines. And the Cali law is against total failure. Severe degradation isn't covered.
     
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    Yeah, what Mark said. It almost sounds like the 100K mile # was pulled out of thin air - compared to reality.
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    Battery Capacity Loss Warranty Chart For 2016 30 kWh Nissan LEAF
    First 2 years owners had to threaten a class-action for horrible capacity loss. Nissan didn't want the bad PR, so they settled out of court with that almost equally horrible/pathetic 60k battery warranty. Sadly, they're taking it in the shorts having to rebuild many packs back up to meet that bare minimum. We always drive & charge easy - otherwise they would have had to work on our pack as well, which is down 4 bars already and we are not even up to 80K miles yet. Prior to the settlement agreement, Nissan told people that were losing serious capacity, "sorry, we never said you wouldn't lose any specific amount, only that we figured you wouldn't lose too much"
    As an owner speaking from a typical bad experience, anyone with the knowledge that they can have nowadays about how horrible Nissan's air-cooled thermal management system is, you'd have to be a moron to buy one, unless you seldom ever drive over 40 miles round trip per day. The 1st 2-year's of (once loyal) owners? At least they can claim foolish ignorant trust. But the reality now? if you don't mind paying over $30k new, & then 5 years later only being able to get at best, $4.9k on resale .... it must be nice to wipe one's sphinker with $100 bills - but the other 99% of the population - it might just seem a waste to sluff off 80% of a cars' original value in such short order. Compare that to our 8 year old '04 Prius over 100k miles, & it kept way more than 50% of its original resale new cost.
    Compared to Nissan's new/improved chicken$hik 60k mile battery warranty - having to loose more than ⅓ of their capacity in just 60K miles? Whereas some Model S Tesla's have gone over 200k miles & are only down 5% capacity loss ?
    Not hard to figure where the value is.
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    do you figure the difference is all air vs liquid cooling?
     
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    + + oh yes
    air cooling via hot air, is not /can NOT cool.
    Just like the human body, liquid / (think sweat) evaporation is true Cooling. 2018 will reveal whether Nissan has learned that valuable lesson or not. Crossing fingers that they have figured that out.
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    Not sure I'd go for a used Leaf, I'm not too fond of Nissan. And there aren't that many Nissan dealers around here, so servicing the thing would be a real problem.

    Mitsubishi miEV are way too small. I don't like driving with my knees in my face. Besides, the stability of that company has been less than certain for a long time. They're part of NYK, and have been losing money for many years. The group is getting tired of bailing them out.

    Teslas are cool, but way out of my price range. I'm not likely to buy a German car for the same reason.



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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    A used Leaf can be incredible value for some people. But your Texas climate would be hard on a Leaf battery.
     
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    Not at the time, no. I was speaking of currently available vehicles. Good for Nissan.
     
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