Why a Prius over an EV?

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  1. sam spade 2

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    It isn't.
    We just have a new generation (or three) of people who don't KNOW that once the chemicals that make a battery work are "used up", there is NOTHING that you can do to get them back.
    Any apparent gain is small and fleeting.
     
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    that should be testable
     
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    @jeff652 or @Raytheeagle are experts here. Jeff designed the system and owns the company.
    I will let them explain further.
     
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    Adding water does bring them back partially at least once, too bad you have to drill and seal to add the water.
     
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    It has been independently tested.....maybe thousands of times over 50 years......and the outcome is always the same.
    Once a battery becomes weak, it STAYS weak.
    Any recovery that is obtained is small and doesn't last long.

    This Internet thing is really wonderful.
    Try a Google search on "battery rejuvenation".

    You do have to be able to sort out the false claims though.
     
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    but technology has changed considerably. both in batteries, electronics and techniques.

    i would want to see recent independent testing on li-on with something similar to a grid charger.

    hybrid automotive admits bring a battery back isn't as effective as prolonging longevity
     
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    I think this journalist would find @bwilson4web views interesting. He started with a Gen 1 Prius but now has 2 EVs although one has a range extender.
     
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    More info on the cheap grid charger you bought if you don’t mind;).

    Jeff started Hybrid Automotive on the gen1 insight and he’s owned over 25 of them:).

    His equipment was built for the insight (y).
     
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    You can rebuild a pack with the hybrid Automotive equipment ;).

    I’ve helped do it twice and it worked well:).

    Great technology for the NiMH setup(y).
     
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    For decades, car makers have tried to build "Prius Killers' without success. Giving up, they now try to portray the Prius as out of step with cars they can build.
     
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    With the price of the Tesla model three baseline price coming down so low and the price of the Prius prime so high a pure EV his looking really good
     
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    I used my BMW i3-REx to learn what works and doesn't work with EVs. So lesson's learned:
    • Fast DC charging is critical to do any sort of long range, EV trips, that make it a car and not a science experiment. A range extender makes up for sparce, fast DC charging networks.
    • Faster car L2 charging is important but not a show stopper. Avoid any with less than 7.2 kW (30 A,) built-in charger.
    • Range is nice but not the end-all. My 240 mi EV range Tesla Standard Range Plus Model 3 has fully met all of our cross country trips.
    • Collect sets of EVSE (aka. chargers) :
      • Fast DC charger built-in, standard.
      • CHAdeMO adapter, half the speed and 2-3x the cost, can fill gaps but don't expect dealers to be friendly to non-Nissan vehicles and they lock their chargers up at night and weekends.
      • L2 (208-240 VAC) chargers are great when shopping or at home. However, they range from RV park NEMA 14-50 through several sub-sockets. Worse, some are derated to 16 A from the usual 40 A and rare 80 A units. Still, you can find free ones like at Whole Foods.
      • L1 (110-120 VAC) chargers usually come with the car are so slow as to be nearly useless except possibly overnight or at a motel.
    Bob Wilson
     
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    Are the fast chargers standardized across makes? -- both the connectors and the charging rates? E.g., if I had a Tesla or a Prius plug-in, would I be able, while I am at church on Sundays, to charge it at the nearby Chevrolet dealership that has a few always-on, and apparently unsupervised, EV charging points? The parking spots are labeled "Electric Vehicles Only" (or words to that effect) but do not specify "Chevrolet Only."

    You mention L1 charging at a motel. Do motel owners permit such high power consumption? And what happens about safety if a power cord is draped across a walkway?
     
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    Yes since we have the Tesla model 3 . I myself installed the 80 amp charger in my House so never have to stop anywhere port charges for the rest of the day. Only have to make one stop between San Francisco in Anaheim at Walt Disney What you would normally do anyway for a lunch or dinner. Tesla would be charged up and ready to go before we even finished our meal. And the battery technology is just getting better so the reason they have an ICE vehicle will not even be a concern anymore. My Prius beats my tesla because I can drive straight from my house in San Francisco to the front door of Disneyland on one tank of gas.
     
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    Tesla has their own standard but their cars will work on the standard L2 chargers with an adapter cable. I do not think CHAdeMO is all that popular in the US but it is in Japan.
    I an not sure about the other fast DC charging mentioned. Possibly future technology.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    All EVs and PHEVs can use the industry standard L2 chargers. Most directly accept the J1772 cable from these or in the case of Tesla you use the 3 inch adapter you get for free with the car. The car automatically communicates with the station to chose a safe charging rate for the equipment in use.

    For fast DC charging these are basically 3 choices. The Telsa Superchargers only work with Tesla cars and vary from about 50 kw to 120/150 to 250 kw.
    There are also the CHAdeMO charging stations. These require a different plug on the cars or in the case of Tesla there is an adapter cable and will work on later Tesla's with a software update.
    Finally there is CCS...used widely in Europe and will probably kill CHAdeMO everywhere except Japan.
    Combined Charging System - Wikipedia

    Mike
     
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    No, several connectors are in use. The EVSE and the charger in the car, negotiate the Amperage both support, so that is not an issue. Here are 8 Common North American 'standards' shown by PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You

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    Supercharger is Tesla's fastest DC EVSE Tesla Supercharger - Wikipedia
    CCS/SAE is a European/North American Standard DC EVSE Combined Charging System - Wikipedia
    CHAdeMO is a DC EVSE common in Asia CHAdeMO - Wikipedia
    J-1772 is the L2 and L1 AC standard SAE J1772 - Wikipedia
    Next they show two older Tesla 'standards'
    NEMA 14-50 is a 50 Amp plug often found in RV parks, you would need an adapter to J-1772 or whatever NEMA connector - Wikipedia
    Wall is 110 volt 15 or 20 Amp plug, most EVs come with an adapter cable for this. NEMA connector - Wikipedia

    Always ask at a Motel, it is their call.
     
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    ETC(SS) The other One Percenter.....

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    ^ Which.....in a nutshell, is why many people think that Hybrids are better for the next 10 years until all of the VHS/Betamax issues are dealt with.

    With gas?
    It's just plain old.......regular gas.

    Every town and city has MANY places that sell it.
    24x7
    Most of the pumps operate just about the same, and they're pretty easy to use.
    99.999 percent of the pumps have nozzles that fit 99.999 percent of the cars that drive up and need gas.
    Filling your car up with gas often takes less time than pumping bilges at the gas station.

    If you run out of gas?
    You can borrow a container and carry a gallon of gas to your car and drive the rest of the way to the gas station to give them their can back and continue filling the car.

    AAA will bring you two gallons if you're a member.

    BEVs have a bright future.....but it's still off in the future a bit, and for now....HYPE is just as bad as FUD in steepening the access ramp for non EVangelists.
     
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    someone once put diesel in their gas tank
     
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    I didn't try diesel but I did study:
    • different brands of straight regular gas - there was a difference not timed to cost
    • different brands of straight premium gas - there was a difference; slight improvement at max power, and; too expensive
    • different ethanal ratio gas E10 to E85 - all worked but above E50, threw a nuisance code and too expensive
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