Why DID Al Gore Lose in 2000?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ May 27 2006, 09:41 AM) [snapback]261787[/snapback]</div>

So what if Gore lost Tennessee? Who gives a damn about it other than those on the far right fringe?

The election was still stolen in Florida by a combination of an incomplete manual recount, hanging and dimpled chads, butterfly ballots, falsely identifying law abiding citizens as convicted felons and plain old harassment and intimidation of African American voters at the polling stations (or on their way there).

You voted for Bush in 2000 and got what you deserve. Too bad that the rest of us are stuck with him as well.

 

Much of what I've read here is not supported by fact. The Supreme Court stepped in only after Florida's Supreme Court overstepped its authority and attempted to reverse Florida law after the fact.

All of the irregularities, all of the problems with the ballots, all of the absentee ballots, and everything that went wrong attributed to an election that simply was flawed. Other states had problems as well. Had the election not been so close, we'd probably never have heard about all of the irregularities. If every ballot cast in every had been counted without error who knows what the results would have been.

However, when the SC found it necessary to become involved and it halted another recount the results that we were left with was that George Bush won the election.

The major media have conducted several "what if" recounts since 2000 and using the law in effect at the time of the election, only when ballots that were perfectly punched did Al Gore's total exceed George Bush's - and then by only three votes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presiden...dies.2Frecounts

I didn't vote for him either. I have voted for the Libertarian candidates in every election in the past 20 some years. I've had enough of the same old party politics and firmly believe that until we can involve more that just the Democrats and Republicans in the national political forum, we're never going to get the government we all want. We're only going to get the government we don't want.

I challange everyone to vote and don't simply vote for your party's candidates without regard to the issues. Let both major parties know that you are dissatisfied with the status quo. Honor, ethics, truthfulness, and moral character are more important than the planks of their party's platform.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ May 27 2006, 11:41 AM) [snapback]261787[/snapback]</div>

I vote, you vote, I suspect most people on PriusChat and on this thread vote. We are voting for people who will NEVER change the system from within and change a system that got them elected in the first place. What else are we supposed to do?

Run for office????? Most of us, if not 99% of us, don't have the money to run for Federal/State office. Run for mayor, city councilman? Maybe. That's doable and withing our reach. OK, so we win the race for Mayor of Mooseport (fine movie BTW), what do we do next? How is being Mayor of Mooseport going to change Federal campaign election laws?

Again, not whining. We are simply on this thread talking about how we think Gore lost the race in 2000.

We all have similiar feelings about Bush, well most of us do. I just don't get it why you think we are whining.

It's perplexing to me.......

 

First off, al Gore didn't lose the popular vote. As more and more lawsuits are proving, he didn't lose the electoral college either. The vote in Fla. was rigged, and I don't mean hanging chad. Over 10000 disenfranchised black voterrs etc.

But Gore's biggest mistake was letting the pollsters and political advisors determine what he said, instead of speaking from the heart. Same mistakes by Kerry.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DonDNH @ May 27 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]261830[/snapback]</div>

With this point I totally agree.

Viva la Socialist Party!!!! (I know 'Viva' and 'la' probably don't belong there, but it sounded good in my brain, so what the hell)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ May 27 2006, 01:14 PM) [snapback]261800[/snapback]</div>

I am hardly 'far right fringe'; in fact, as a gay rights supporting preacher, I am more to the left then most Republicans.

I just find is fascinating to me, that all this fuss about Florida, when he lost his own state. He could not even win his own state. Pretty sad, you ask me.

The election was not stolen, and that is part of the whining. I did vote for Bush in 2000. And I voted for Clinton twice. I voted for Bush Senior. Voted for Reagan.

Most of the time, when I vote, I vote for the lesser of two evils. But the last time, I voted for Kerry, since , Bush had stunk the joint up so bad.

I call it whining, because that is what it sounds like, when all some do is moan about how Gore won, when he lost. GET over IT. It's in the past, long about six years ago, and here we are, on the cusp of the next election, and where are the Democrats? Who is leading the party? Where are the ones who will change things?

I wish there was a valid, viable third party, I really do. But that ain't gonna happen anytime soon, unless I get off my lazy butt and start the Bull Moose Party, 21st Century Edition.

 

Al Gore won the electoral vote and the popular vote, but he lost the even more important judiciary vote. The short-sighted politican forgot to buy himself some Supreme Court judges!

 

Of course, Al Gore did have pretty lousy political advisors. Remember all that stuff about him being "stiff" and "wooden?" It was because his advisors kept telling him not to speak passionately about the issues he really cared about. Take a few minutes an observe him from back then not actively trying not to be passionate--I dare you--and check out this unaired clip of him from back then and see if he seems "stiff" and wooden to you. No. (Go ahead, Wildkow, you can observe him praying and then judge whether he is doing it right. Plus you get to see him in a Frankenstein outfit.)

And remember all those Republican lies about him claiming to have "invented the Internet?" What he said was "during my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." And that statement was absolutely true. "Gore took a critical part [in launching the Internet]," says Dave Farber, a professor of telecommunication systems at the University of Pennsylvania. Vinton Cerf, the Stanford researcher who sketched out a design for the Internet in 1973, seconds that emotion: "It is entirely fitting that the vice president take some credit for helping to create an environment in which Internet could thrive."

Then there was the flap that ensued when Gore, during an off-the-record chat, boasted that the character of Oliver Barrett in Erich Segal's "Love Story" was based on him. Pounce went the media. "Does he think, going into 2000, that this will give him a romantic glow, or a romantic afterglow?" snarked the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. But Time Magazine's Karen Tumulty, with whom Gore had the actual conversation, told a columnist that Dowd and others got the story wrong, that "Gore was telling us something that was basically true." Segal himself, in fact, has confirmed that Barrett is an amalgam of both Gore and his Harvard roommate, actor Tommy Lee Jones.

Then there was the "farm boy" fracas, when reporters ripped Gore for an Iowa speech in which he exaggerated his own farming credentials. "In Iowa, Gore claimed that he was a farm boy who plowed steep hillsides with mules," wrote the Cincinnati Enquirer in an editorial titled "King of Gaffes: Al Gore out-Quayles Dan." But as even conservative Gore biographer Bob Zelnick acknowledged in his fairly critical book, "Gore: A Political Life," the veep did, indeed, spend "long weekends, summers, holidays, and his entire seventh year" in Carthage, Tenn., working on the family farm. Young Gore woke before dawn, fed the livestock, cleaned out the hog parlors and cleared a field one summer "with only a small hand-axe as his tool."

In any case, he's learned from his past mistakes, he has spent the last several years working hard on advancing the policies that matter to him and just plain out helping people (like in Katrina). He is no longer wooden, and he has learned to speak with passion about issues that matter. Like the recent Martin Luther King Day's speech, where he pointed out that "the discovery that the FBI conducted this long-running and extensive campaign of secret electronic surveillance designed to infiltrate the inner workings of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and to learn the most intimate details of Dr. King's life was instrumental in helping to convince Congress to enact restrictions on wiretapping. And one result was the Foreign Intelligence and Surveillance Act, often called FISA, which was enacted expressly to ensure that foreign intelligence surveillance would be presented to an impartial judge to verify that there was indeed a sufficient cause for the surveillance." You can get the full transcript here or see some video highlights here. I encourage everyone here to go check it out, in case in recent years you have forgotten what "presidential" looks like and sounds like.

 

I would say somewhat all of the above. But the biggest thing is I can't remember a word he said about why we should not have voted for Bush, or what he would do different that was needed and which Bush would never do.

Nobody deserves to be elected for saying nothing or just meaningless general slogans, and that is all the media consultants think people want to hear.

Then it does just come down to the charisma thing and Bush had more.

Finally we have all those people in Red states who voted to hurt themselves due to the skill of Rove in pushing their buttons. Democrats used to have a labor force and didn't have to rely on psycho tricks, but now American labor is just about all in India and China.

Under Clinton Democrats reinvented themselves as miniature Republicans. Till they come up with something better to replace the loss of labor support they will keep on losing.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ May 27 2006, 12:41 PM) [snapback]261787[/snapback]</div>

I'm not going to continue this argument with you any further, because you are apparently not paying attention to anything I say. Let me make it as simple as possible- WHETHER BUSH OR GORE WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY WON FLORIDA IS NOT THE POINT!!! The political system is corrupt in this country, and the 2000 and 2004 elections were glaring examples. There was a systematic effort to keep blacks away from the polls in Florida in 2000 (and again, in 2004). The Democrats were complicit in this process. A number of black members of the House of Representatives attempted, after the 2000 election, to get the Senate to act on complaints from their constituents that they were dienfranchised. Al Gore was presiding over the Senate, and would not hear them. Likewise, John Kerry immediately conceded the election in 2004, despite evidence that many voters in Ohio were kept from the polls.

I recently was involved with a campaign in Rhode Island for voting rights. where we got the law changed to allow felons to regain the right to vote upon release from prison. AFter all, if someone serves their time and pays their debt to society, why shouldn't they be able to participate in democracy? Florida still prohibits convicted felons from voting even after they have served their time.

So what is your point? That because Gore lost Tennessee, that it someone is a measure of his suitability? Maybe he lost Tennessee because he was portrayed by the Republicans (who spent heavily on advertising in Tennessee) as soft on guns and abortion; or maybe a lot of them didn't like that he had a black woman as his campaign manager?

Besides writing newspaper columns (not my primary occupation), I have organized a number of rallies in my state; I participate in lobbying members of both my state legislature and our US representatives, I am on the governing board of a statewide organization that fights social and economic injustice, and this week I was in a march against homelessness. I'm not bragging- I just don't need some person on PriusChat to tell me "to get off your lazy butt"!

 

Lets see, Why did Al Gore lose the presidency? I can answer that question in three words....

BUSH CRIME FAMILY

 

All I can say is if Gore had won, our taxes would be choking us and Saddam and sons would be rattling their sabres, gassing people, raiding more countries, killing muslims, and adding to their million plus killed. No big deal.

 

I'll bet he is a crook.

Lets see.... Muslims are blowing each other up every day. Before they had bombs, they used sabers or swords to do the same thing.

When the crook says, OUR taxes, he must be talking about the people who actually get a tax break under the BUSH crime familys new tax laws.

And the crook says he is not a crook, but he must be a fortune teller. He can predict the future behavior of people in the middle east.

The crookmeister also says that THEY would be raiding more countries, but SHHHH, be very quiet and don't you dare call it NATION BUILDING.

GO BIG ED ON AIR AMERICA

 

Of the reasons you mention, it would be that Gore ran an awful campaign. He let the consultants define the campaign, just as Kerry did in 2004, with equally dismal results. The Democrats are certain to make the same mistake again, although with all the scandals in the Bush administration and his dismal poll ratings, they might get away with it.
Despite Gore's inept campaign (or any votes taken away by Nader), he did in fact win the election legitimately. It was stolen by Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, the lawyers who blocked the recount, and the Supreme Court- with two justices (Scalia and Thomas) who should have recused themselves. The numerous voters in Florida who were disenfranchised (mainly African Americans) were robbed of a fundamental right of citizenship.
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It was stolen by Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, the lawyers who blocked the 2nd recount, and the Supreme Court- with two justices (Scalia and Thomas) who should have recused themselves. The numerous voters in Florida who were disenfranchised (mainly African Americans) were robbed of a fundamental right of citizenship.

Of all the elections using the same voting machines in fla. the democracts where their own, down fall demanding recount after recount.. I personally liked the bush bashing commecials telling blacks that bush wasnt for them or the children working to pay for thier future :lol: . The dems got really wacky desperate on those two, hell the dems should elect Jessie Jackson for pres.

These wacy actions really swood quite a few dems to vote for bush,,

The numerous voters in Florida who were disenfranchised (mainly African Americans) were robbed of a fundamental right of citizenship. (Anyone who would state this as fact is an idiot). & was proven after the fact that no one WAS disenfranchised....

The democrats started the hanging chads is south Fla & no one will ever forget the Party that could not take the fact they lost to the republicans... (heres a tissue) :lol: :lol:

imntacrook:
All I can say is if Gore had won, our taxes would be choking us and Saddam and sons would be rattling their sabres, gassing people, raiding more countries, killing muslims, and adding to their million plus killed. No big deal.

imntacrook~
Your speaking to followers with deaf ears on this thread

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ May 28 2006, 12:00 PM) [snapback]262079[/snapback]</div>

It would have taken only one senator, supporting the motion by the Congressional Black Caucus, to investigate the electoral fraud and illegal disenfranchisement of 5,000 Black voters in Florida.

Not one single U.S. senator stepped forward! Gore himself prefered to lose the election to fraud, rather than call into question its legitimacy.

Both parties are corrupt. Both parties engage in electoral fraud. (In the 2000 presidential elections, it was the Republicans, but the Democrats are just as crooked.) The very concept of voting for "the lesser of two evils" is just a ploy to get people to continue supporting a system which gives them no say whatsoever in how our country is run.

 

Excuses, excuses. Did it ever occur to you that Gore and Kerry lost because they are losers?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ May 27 2006, 09:55 AM) [snapback]261762[/snapback]</div>

Ditto the voters in Ohio in 2004 who couldn't vote before the close of polls due to lack of enough machines. How odd they were also both Black and Democrats.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ May 28 2006, 04:05 PM) [snapback]262116[/snapback]</div>

To which I ask...exactly how many black senators were there?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ May 28 2006, 04:38 PM) [snapback]262128[/snapback]</div>

Man, you're cracking me up again!! Not in that 'cracking up because you're so funny way', but more in that 'I can't believe people actually think this way' way.

It's really great how you can see things so black and white. Gore and Kerry lost because you say 'they were losers'. That's it. Simple. Broken down in your brain to the basic part that they were losers.

Well, on this Memorial Day weekend, just remember that these two 'losers' served in Vietnam. Actually served in Vietnam like you. Which you (and Gore and Kerry, the two 'losers') should be very proud of.