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Why would one buy Prime over 1st Gen Volt?

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by mbait, May 10, 2018.

  1. El Dobro

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    I'm quite happy with my Volt. :D

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Requirement type weight Used Volt Used i3-REx New Prime
    1 dynamic cruise control and automatic braking mandatory
    not negotiable​
    No Yes Yes
    2 gas efficiency optional 40% 2.7 gal/100 mi premium 2.6 gal/100 mi premium 1.9 gal/100 mi regular
    3 EV efficiency optional 30% 35 kWh/100 mi 29 kWh/100 mi 25 kWh/100 mi
    4 range optional 15% 380 mi 150 mi 640 mi
    5 tax credit optional 10% No No Yes
    6 PriusChat content optional 5% lost humble beloved

    Requirements are an individual's choice. Safety features are ours. Once the mandatory requirements are met, the rest are negotiable.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  3. mbait

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    Thanks guys, I appreciate all the comments. I owned 1st gen PiP, really liked it, except the range was a joke. I sold my Prius and now want to buy another PHEV. Range is my main concern, and I don't care about HOV stickers whatsoever. That said, Gen2 Volt could have been my car of choice, but it's super generic exterior makes me a sad panda, because I want to drive a vehicle from 90s sci-fi movie. Dynamic cruise control also is an important thing. As well as LKA, though the latter is really useful if it can steer well enough to not to touch steering wheel whilst on highway.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Good! State the requirements:
    I don't see a mandatory requirement so we'll treat them as optional:
    requirement weight 2014 PIP 2014 Volt 2014 i3-REx 2017 Prime
    1 EV range 20% 0 (11) 2 (38) 3 (72) 1 (25)
    2 range 20% 2 (540) 1 (380) 0 (150) 3 (640)
    3 body shape 20% 2 1 3 2
    4 dynamic cruise control 20% 0 0 1 2
    5 LKA 20% 0 0 0 1

    • Edit the weight % to match their worth to you
    • Adjust the evaluation based on some universal scale 0-n, here 0-3
      • If you want finer granularity 0-9 or 0-n where "n" can be evaluated
    • Total the scores and sort
    GOOD LUCK!
    Bob Wilson
     
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  5. a_gray_prius

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    A couple years ago I thought about picking up a used Volt. I searched the forums and looked at Consumer Reports. Overall, my takeaway is that the Volt is one of Chevy's more reliable cars, and most owners seemed to have a relatively trouble-free experience. Consumer Reports did show the first year or two of the Volt as having a higher than average issue rate, but digging through the numbers seemed to indicate that it was largely due to a misbehaving/faulty fuel (or charging, I can't remember which one) door.

    Two other concerns that people have shared with me about not purchasing the first generation Volt are
    1. the lack of a backup camera on some trim levels (since rear visibility is poor)
    and
    2. Constant monitoring of your location (and remote access to the vehicle) via OnStar

    I would strongly advise you not to rely on driver aids such as lane-keep assist (or even Tesla's Autopilot) and to simply pay full attention while driving as if these systems were not present.
     
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  6. mbait

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    Thanks for the summing that up. Both 2014 PiP and 2014 Volt have ACC and LKA. Not in base packages though.

    My initial question wasn't about numbers, but about personal perception and any possible hidden details. For example, I bought my 2015 PiP with high confidence, because as of that time 3rd gen Prius proved itself as a super-reliable hybrid. People who have maintained it well kept driving without issues even after 400K km. And I can't conclude the same about Prime, because it's built on a completely new platform which is yet to prove (or compromise) itself.
     
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    has to be better than gen 3, based on the engine problems.
     
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    That was my very first car!
     
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    Ouch! And you survived! Be glad you weren't rear-ended by the gas tank...
     
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    I was 15 years old at the time with a “restricted” license. The car was recalled and I took it to John Foster Ford in Easley SC so they could install a black plastic flap between the gas tank and the rear differential. The engine went bad soon after that. I think it had about 60k on the odometer.
     
  11. bwilson4web

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    I understand the risk of dealing with new technology but that was the 1.8L engine in the Gen-3. The only significant weakness was tapping the exhaust before the catalytic converter but this is fixed in the prime. The Prime transmission / transaxle is the new technology.

    The P610 transmission went from coaxial shafts to simpler bearings of parallel shafts. Toyota significantly improved cooling with an ATF heat exchanger and lighter weight. Internal lubrication is improved driven by motion gears, not just an engine driven pump. But the major technical addition, the one-way clutch on the flywheel.

    Called a spray clutch, the pin and spring assembly means MG1 can work in parallel with MG2 and that is key to the Prime. Simple yet effective, it is new but low risk.

    Bob Wilson
     
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