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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by TheSnowSnake, May 9, 2015.

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    Except that your HV battery (probably) does not have enough charge to do that.
     
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    tht's incorrect. the bentley or toyota service manual? ice won't come on until there is insufficient charge in the battery.
     
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    Bisco, that is not entirely correct, the answer is it depends. What you state is one "depends".

    Also, people tend to use A/C and Climate Control interchangeably, when they are not. The Prius has Climate Control (CC), and A/C is part of it.

    So another of the circumstances that it depends on is whether the CC is set to heat, and the ICE is cold (or has cooled) then pretty soon after the car goes READY, the ICE will indeed fire up -- all things being equal.

    However, in this gentleman's case, all thing are not equal. The HV battery is depleted to the extent that it cannot fire up the ICE.
     
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    right, i always confuse air-conditioning and cooling.
     
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    but in the case of the 2004, you don't need to turn the heat on, the car will always start the engine a few seconds after you make it ready, unless it has already warmed up properly.
     
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    That is true, but the warm up cycle is longer if you are also asking for heat.
     
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    right. and non existent if it won't start.:p
     
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    OK no tail chasing...LOL will do what I can till I get these codes.
     
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    That is correct the ICE has never run ..Hey I thought I was doing good to get the wheels to spin LOL.
     
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    OK with all that in mind is there a emergency fuel shut off that may have activated when the rear end was hit, or some other (make the ICE die feature)??
     
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    I'd work on how you are going to charge up your HV battery. Personally, I'd go the grid charger way with the optional discharger, because by the time you've purchased 3 or 4 RC hobby chargers, you are pretty close on cost, plus you can charge and condition your battery at one fell swoop. Also, once you have the harness installed you can repeat the process whenever you see fit.
     
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    Not sure about that, but you can check that there is fuel in the tank by putting the car in IG-ON mode by pressing the START button twice with your foot OFF the brake. the fuel gauge should then be illuminated. The car's electrics are powered by the 12 V battery in this mode and the preceding one (ACC-ON mode) so I would shut it down once you've established how much fuel is indicated in the tank.
     
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    Dolj thanks now I really dont know a single thing about a grid charger do you have a link? Is it sold on ebay?
    ?

    Do it make the car (like) a plug in model?
     
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    No, I don't think so, but you can get it here from the PRIUSchat/SHOP. The manufacturer is a member here (jeff652 from HybridAutomotive) and will quite happily answer any questions you have. There may be a revision of the battery fan control module in the pipeline you should ask him about.

    See this thread: DASH Error Lights Exclamation w/Triangle, VSC, and small Exclamation - Car runs great? - Post 59 for details.

    No.

    hope this helps.
     
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    Ya it look pretty neat I think that would be a good investment..Cheap enough.
     
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    Grid charger is meant for a functioning HV Battery pack.
     
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    Apart from being flat, who's to say it is not an otherwise functional HV Battery pack? Until it is charged, there is probably not much that can be done to ascertained its current functional state. It's kind of a Hobson's choice.

    I guess Jeff can say whether it will be worthwhile or not to take the gamble.
     
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    you can download toyota technical by the day, it should tell you if there's a safety fuel shutoff.
     
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    Post 24&28; Prius sat for 2 years | Page 2 | PriusChat
    Draw your own conclusion(s).

    I would still put the money towards RC chargers.
    • Its a project car.
    • Costs of multiple RC chargers (to shorten the rebuild time; 1 discharge/charge cycle=1day, should do 3 discharge/charge cycle = 3days for each module; 28 modules in the pack) vs Grid might be the same.
    • A correctly rebuilt HV Pack will likely offer the greatest longevity.
    • Correctly performed rebuilding process will discover bad modules and likely discover marginal modules.

    If OP has money to burn, do both: fewer RC chargers for the rebuild, and a Grid charger for long term maintenance.
     
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