You can buy 7 Primes for the cost of a Porsche E-Hybrid, plus have some spare change.

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  1. Marine Ray

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    If I had the money I would buy the porsche e :)
     
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    I can only drive one at a time. If I could afford 7 Toyotas or 1 Porsche, I'd get the Porsche.
     
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    Yea, me too. ;)
     
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    How come the Prime is only $23,778?
     
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    Chart reflects less tax credits.

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    I would drive any of the less than 35,000$ choices, I wouldn't drive any of the more than 35,000$ choices.
     
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    Why? Ignoring affordability aspect, what do you have against luxury and/or performance?

    P.S. I do find 8...14 miles range laughable, though.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    I believe that was an attempted stab at Tesla.

    Keeping in the theme of the thread, you can get at least 3 Model 3's for the price of that Porsche, and their performance will be plenty for many drivers.
     
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    Yeah but if I had the money, I’d get the Porsche. And I’d get the one with the even longer name. (Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo).
     
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    Looking at the list, is it fair to say PHEV are done among US automakers? BTW, what EREV stands for?
     
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    Probably. Looks like a European and Japanese thing for PHEVs.

    Extended Range Electric Vehicle.
     
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    Thanks. I looked it up myself too. Not sure how mechanically they are different from other PHEV, BEV or pure hybrid. Didn't Nissan make a hybrid that runs purely on battery but is charged by gas engine? Is it considered to be EREV? Have not read the entire article yet.
    Electric Cars: Defining Battery-Electrics, Plug-In Hybrids, Range-Extended & More
     
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    Well it’s GM and they wanted a marketing term to separate the Volt from other PHEVs.

    The Note e-Power? Well it’s a series hybrid so I guess it could be an EREV. (Assuming it can run in EV mode only)
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    But some also have to buy a car for the SO.;)

    Some brands are using the plug and bigger battery to improve performance while in hybrid mode.

    The main difference between EREV and PHEV is that the EREV can very nearly match the car's hybrid performance while in EV mode, but it is a subset of a PHEV. The Volt didn't match hybrid 100% while in EV, but it could stay in EV mode until it hit the governed speed. The ICE came on at 61mph in the PiP, and most other PHEVs do the same at freeway speeds.

    That Nissan is series hybrid, and doesn't have a plug; it's just a hybrid.
     
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    Hummm... So, EREV must have a plug-in? I am still not clear about the difference then. Volt is EREV but not Clarity? Both have similar range. And if Nissan's series hybrid Note e-Power had a plug-in, that make it an EREV? When you say "hybrid performance" what do you mean by that, efficiency or drive performance like power and acceleration?
     
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    a_gray_prius Rare Non-Old-Blowhard Priuschat Member

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    There's a pretty good argument to be made against driving anything particularly expensive if you're in any urban area. This was made very persuasively to me when I was rear-ended while stopped at a red by a guy who had no insurance and was effectively lawsuit-proof (e.g. no assets). Even if you can afford it, having to eat 1. the diminished value of your car (and lasting effects of being in a collision), 2. the deductible for being in said collision, and 3. the increased insurance premiums as a result of someone else's total callousness and irresponsibility is a very, very bitter pill. The other guy basically faced zero repercussions for his irresponsibility.


    #wagonlife

    Honestly, if I didn't need 4 doors, I'd get a used F430 or 458 (458 will be more reliable) for almost the same money.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    I mean power and acceleration. Those attributes are the same for a EREV, whether in hybrid or EV mode. An EREV can be viewed as a BEV that has an onboard generator that is powerful enough to provide full EV performance as long as it has fuel, unlike something like i3 REx, which its generator output doesn't match the power of its motor.

    Now PHEVs are hybrids that have a bigger battery and a plug. Those available today get close to an EREV in operation within the hands of most drivers, but they will fall back on the ICE under the right conditions. The Clarity(and I think the Ioniq/Niro) will fire up the engine when the pedal is floored, even when the battery is mostly charged. The Prime won't go above 80-something mph without the ICE on. Besides when out of grid charge, the only time the Volt will fire up the engine is for cabin heat, or if it is extremely cold out; it tries to stay in EV to a further degree than a PHEV would.

    EREVs tend to have long EV range because a big battery is needed to get the output from the motor that would match the output of system when in hybrid mode. If a plug in Note e-Power battery output doesn't match the generator output, it won't be an EREV.

    If a PHEV has some notable limitation on its EV performance(slower acceleration, lower top speed, etc.) in comparison to the car's performance while in hybrid mode, then it can't be an EREV.

    The distinction between an EREV and PHEV was clearer back when the examples were just the Volt vs the PiP and Energis.
     
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    hey now
     
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    The 35,000$ mark seems to be the sweet spot, Tesla promised to offer a model at that price point, it's losing 11,000$ every time it does. ;) (BTW, Tesla is taking the Standard Plus and software limiting it, Tesla never actually made, will make, a Standard Model 3)


    But in this conversation...the cars above 35,000$ are all either crazy money for pure electric or stupid money for fake hybrid, while the cars below 35,000$ were all actual electric or hybrids that ger good mpg's.
     
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