Zenn again!!

I'd rather spend my time reading a book. Anyway, I hear (second-hand) that that web site is full of folks who think the world as we know it is about to end. Something about how China is about to cause all U.S. banks to fail, the dollar to collapse to zero, and food riots to break out all over the U.S. I'm not saying it won't happen I'm just saying it's not where I care to pass my time.

 

Geez, never read that on EEStory. I think you source must be thinking about some other site.

 

I think you are both underestimating the durability, efficiency and cost effectiveness benefits of EVs over gas cars. Gas cars will never be able to compete with an EESU powered EVs.

Nobody would buy a NEW gas car if they had the option to buy a NEW 250 km EV for under $25,000. Gas is only going to go up in price as we tax the crap out of carbon. While electricity rates with smart grids, V2G and new renewable technology (e.g. nanosolar) creating new efficiencies is only going to get cheaper.

Imagine driving at 2 cents a mile with superior reliability vs. 15 cents a mile with all the hassles that go with maintaining/repairing a gas car.

It'll be a complete no-brainer. Gas cars will disappear once every major car manufacturer starts putting EESU powered EVs on the lots.

Analogy: Digital cameras vs film.

Remember EESUs are only $150/kWh to start and they don't wear out. Expect the price to drop a lot in ten years.

 

You both know that you don't have to convince me that EVs are better than stinkers. I own two of them. EVs, that is. I just think you're both making a lot of assumptions about u-caps. "Counting your chickens before they're hatched." And overestimating the common sense of the American public. Look at the voting record of the American public, and you can see that car-buying decisions are likely to have a lot more to do with TV advertising than with anything based on self interest or common sense. If Zenn comes out with a 300-mile car, GM is going to spend a billion dollars (of taxpayer-subsidized money) in commercials asking people which car they'd rather have their kinds in in a head-on collision: their latest 6,000-pound monstrosity, or a Zenn. The Zenn may actually do better overall in safety, but it's the imagine of the head-on collision that's going to keep Americans buying the gas guzzler.

Rather than betting on one particular supplier of one particular storage technology, I'm doing some homework on alternative energy generation. I'll be putting some money into a fund that invests widely in sustainable energy.

But I'm rooting for EEStor to be on the level and for Zenn to make a hit. And if they do, I'll be one of the first in line to buy u-caps for my Porsche. I want you guys to make a killing on your Zenn stock. I just don't think it's a sound investment. It may not literally be a penny stock, but like a penny stock, it trades in small volume and low price, and is likely to be extremely volatile. And it's ultimate success depends on so much more than the successful development of u-caps, even assuming they materialize.

 

Just going by what's in the patents.

Touche

 

Patents won't tell you how the u-caps will perform, what they'll cost, whether the manufacturing can be scaled up, or even if they'll really do what's being claimed.

There's big money to be made in the market (at an equally big risk) if you can anticipate what other investors are going to do: Buy the newest fad before it becomes a fad, and sell it before everyone else gives up on it. One problem with hindsight is you tend to see the successes and ignore the failures. Everyone says "I should have bought Apple way back when," but nobody says "It's a good thing I didn't buy Coconut Computers," because we don't remember the ones that failed.

You two guys are investing money into Zenn that you can afford to lose, but there are lurkers here, and it would be sad if one of them puts his entire retirement fund into Zenn and then it collapses and he loses everything.

 

Pike Research: 48% of U.S. consumers would buy a plug-in hybrid car - Denver Business Journal:

maybe I'm right after all if 48% are already thinking about buying a plug in.

 

I suspect their results might be a little skewed:

I wouldn't trust a web-based survey to be representative of the general public.

 

Good point! People who participate in web-based surveys are self-selected for a positive attitude toward technology and innovation. And it's one thing to say you'd buy something; it's another to actually shell out the cash once you've seen the price tag.

 

Hmmm, I thought about the ZENN for a long time, but it just doesnt meet my need's. It can only go at a max speed of 25mph, and has a range of about 30mi. So I have been on the hunt for a Prius. I dont know though if I want a 2010, or a second gen.

 

By a used Gen2 and add an enginer phev kit to it. Cheapest/most reliable hwy capable plug in going I bet.

 

"Shocking.... not" Well put efusco. And Dave you're correct as well.

Plus, now that every car company in the world has announce EV or PHEV plans, there is no need to showcase an EESU driven cityzenn to the world. All the car companies "get it". Time to just focus on the "zennergy inside" model instead of trying to compete with the oems.

Waiting on the edge of my seat for the big reveal.... whenever that is.

 

When Zenn was promising (or folks on this board said it was) to have the City Zenn on car lots for sale to the public in ... when did they say? 2009 or 2010... I was saying this was not credible: The time it would take such a small company to design, test, and build a mass-production car would be much longer.

So now they've scrapped the City Zenn entirely, and are putting all their eggs in the EEStor basket! And EEStor is now promising to deliver a product in an unlikely short amount of time. I would not be buying Zenn stock right now!

 

Zenn was never going to build the cityzenn without an EESU inside. Zenn has always been nothing without EEStor.

Zenn for years has simply been a holding company in waiting for EEStor.

Zenn probably has prelimary deals with oems in place and the cityzenn is a complete waste of time and counterproductive. Why even pretend to compete with your own customers?

I just bought more stock yesterday.

 

250 mile range, top speed of 80 mph... well if it aint about time!!
http://priuschat.com/forums/other-c...lans-highway-capable-zenn-powered-eestor.html

7 Days left in September!

On to the next ZennBaloney.