ZENN Motor Company Confirms EEStor's Third-Party Certified Permittivity

Obviously, I was stating an opinion. But consider the time needed for development of a new car. First EEStor would have to actually produce a capacitor. Then it would have to design and build a factory to mass produce them. Then Zenn could begin work on designing the drive train that would use the capacitor. Then it would have to design and build the factory to produce that drive train and assemble the cars with it, not to mention the car itself, because if it's to be a freeway-capable four-wheel car it will need to undergo crash testing, and Zenn does not yet have a vehicle that would be street legal above 25 mph in most states, 35 mph in a couple of states.

Yep. I'll stick with my assertion that "certainly" it's not going to happen as soon as the end of next year.

Look how long it's taking Aptera, using an existing battery technology! Do you really think that Zenn could build the City Car, using a not-yet-available "battery" in 18 months???

 

If they change the powertrain when they rebadge the car chassis, it is a different car... I believe if they make more than 50 cars at one plant, and/or get a business lic that states they plan to market more than that many cars, they'll be subject to federal as well as some state manufacturing rules/regs... the govt's position is that it's one of the hurdles we have made to reduce fly-by-night operations just out to take the customer's money and leave them with a POS car that breaks too often... it has reduced competition as well as limiting frauds to the customer... it's also made some quick scam artists wealthy by gaining investors coins and failing after a short period.


If they keep the weight about the same, and don't change too many components (other than the drive-train and wiring harness) or delete to many for that matter, they may not have to undergo full testing. But I believe they must now have a govt verified fuel consumption/mileage rating for every model that is marketed new.

 

What is the reason Dick Weir is hiding the EESU from the public for the last 8 years, and not delivering to Zenn the last 4 years?
Dick Weir admitted to the blogger with the bag over his head "Prototypes have been built and prototypes have been tested".

Is that the same production line Ian Clifford was expecting delivery of EESU's to Zenn from EESTOR end of 07?

 

There is a common term for what EEStor is presently offering. It's called a pig in a poke. A "poke" being a very small coin purse. Someone offers you a very small leather sack, maybe three or four inches across, and tells you there's a pig inside, which he'd like to sell you.

The difference between you and me is that I don't believe there's really a pig in EEStor's poke. No independent person has ever seen it. You are willing to believe it's there and they don't want to show it to us for fear the competition would steal it. I'm not buying. I think Zenn has been scammed.

BTW, it would be easy to allow an independent test without ever letting the competition have anything but the public report of the independent tester, verifying that the capacitor worked, but without revealing its construction.

I hope I am wrong. On this one, I want to be wrong.

 

I cannot take credit for the following, it was posted by someone else,
"The only show EESTOR is proven is hype, news releases, and wait till end of year". And that my friends is 100% factual since 2001.

Please do not compare Boeing to EESCAM...t's an insult to Boeing.

 

hmm. well its all conjecture really since they have done an admirable job of secrecy...

so let me conjecture a bit as well...

i would venture to say that they have already started the development process for the CitiZenn and im guessing they started that process 8 months ago as they stated.

as far as the rest, i dont think its much of a stretch for them to have designed it considering the multiple charge storage options. after all, the drivetrain is not going to work differently depending on the source of the power

as far as Kleiner P goes, they are already a known investor in Zenn AND eestor. remember the video? Zenn's level of investment would be determined by the level other companies invested in at which time a graphic displayed that K-P was also an investor.

 

One difference is that the airplanes were under development and the work in progress was visible.

Another difference is that these were established airline companies, building and selling many different kinds of planes in volumes the market could absorb. The promise of a new plane was credible, even if the completion date was not.

EEStor, on the other hand, is a company that has never produced a product.

It is established that Boeing can build a plane. EEstor has yet to establish that it can build a capacitor, and therefore the burden of proof is greater. They don't have to prove anything to anybody. But I don't have to believe that they are on the level.

 

Hey Fibb24, The blogger with the bag over his head can't deal with the facts. One thing I agreed with him is when he stated connect the dots...connect the dots on the following:

EEStor has open house, shows off EV prototypes
This entry was posted on Wednesday, March 29th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
“This is a very sophisticated electric car, with 250 to 300 miles of range,” Richard Weir, CEO, president and co-founder of EEStor said. “It’ll take a full electrical charge in about the time it takes to gas up a regular car. Just plug it up for a few minutes and you’re off.” Many auto manufacturers experimented with electric cars in the 1980s and 1990s but essentially abandoned the technology for hybrid or other alternative fuel systems due to their high cost of manufacture and maintenance. Weir believes EEStor has overcome those hurdles with their product. “This is just a preview of what’s to come. We have another major announcement for May. But seeing is believing!” he said."
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Feel Good Cars Tuning Up for Production; EEStor ESU on Track
14 April 2006
"EEStor recently informed FGC that it continues on schedule in the commercialization of the ESU. FGC is up to date and current with its commitments to EEStor Inc. with the next milestone consisting of independent 3rd party verification of EEStor’s technology, expected during the summer of 2006."
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Subject: UFTO Note - EEStor Ultracapacitor and Ultrabattery
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004

"A number of major companies have said they would issue a purchase order quickly if specs are met.

The company is currently seeking equity investment of $3.5 million. A business plan is available.

Contact Richard D. Weir, President and CEO
EEStor, Inc. Cedar Park, TX
512-258-5669 [email protected]"
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EESTOR will not be delivering anything to Zenn meeting the following specs in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, etc.


EESTOR submitted the above Specimen to the United States Patent and Trademark Office which was approved. This proves trademark patents mean nothing.

If you connect the dots and don't see something is rotten with EESTOR/Zenn/Feel Good Car/Dick Weir/Ian Clifford, than Bernie Madoff has a bridge to sell to you.

BTW-When was the EESU UL Certified?

 

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Investing in individual companies is always risky. You are gambling that you know something the market does not. You are not merely betting that the company will do well, you are betting that it will do better than the market expects it to do, since the price of a stock is based on its assets and its productivity, but also on whether the market expects it to improve or decline.

I own microscopic quantities of a few individual companies for emotional, rather than financial reasons. For investment, unless you really know something the market does not, you are much better off with a wide diversity of mutual funds.

Putting money into a company because you support their goals is noble, but this should never be money that you cannot afford to lose. I hope you have not put too large a portion of your money into Zenn. It's all a matter of proportion. If they succeed you'd feel bad if you got out entirely. But if they fail you'd feel worse if it meant you'd lose your home.

I don't own Zenn because I don't expect them to be the breakthrough company. If I was looking to invest long term I'd want to invest in Tesla. But that's just me. As it is, I'm 60 years old, and spending to enjoy life, not investing for the future.

Caveat: I'm not an investment advisor or a stock broker and all I know about the market is what common sense tells me, and "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" is common sense.