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2014 Prius V engine swap

Discussion in 'Prius v Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by PatrickBrian, Oct 27, 2022.

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    Arrived this afternoon. I received several comments on the care that went into crating and packing. It would seem that Hybrid Pitstop puts care into everything they do. Thanks @GregC1979 & @RightOnTime. Only thing missing now is some snow.
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    I'll be adding this, and moving the PCV to the outlet side.

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    Do you think I could install a drain valve in the bottom of the intake so I can monitor its content without having to remove the whole airbox and throttle body?
    Also, the hose that runs from the airbox to the valve cover; That's fresh air to the valve cover, right?
     
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    Right. It should stay clean and dry inside.
     
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    It’s 3rd gen? Has spin-on filter conversion.
     
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    Yessir.
     
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    So the new engine is in and everything is reconnected except for the OCC. I need a different adaptor for the return line and a mounting bracket. I located it under where the cowl will go (for now). I'll probably move it once the cowl is back on so I can identify a better location.
    I ended up leaving the PCV where it was (for now).
    I have a question for @GregC1979 or @RightOnTime ; do I need to prime the oil pump before I run it?
     
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    It's alive and well. I finished the installation about a week ago. It was 11 hours to remove and 20 to install, plus countless hours reading and watching videos. I gave the car back to my daughter on Friday. We installed the OBD2 app on her phone so she can monitor RPM's for break-in. I asked her last night, and she says the car is running excellent. I can now put the boat back in it's house.
    I am thankful to all of you that helped me through this. PriusChat gave me not only the knowledge, but the courage to tackle this task, and I am in your debt.
    I had hoped to make this thread a guide, but that didn't work out, and I apologize for that. It became clear early on that instead of taking photos, I would need video, and as I was using a handheld phone, I could not effectively show the work as it was being done. I do, however, have 180 videos and pictures that do detail what I did, and that served me on reinstallation. I am sure they would be a help to anyone willing to brave this task. This is not a Gen4 swap, but a basic take it out and put it back approach. I have them shared on my onedrive, if links are allowed.
    https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApVS6Sq11xQrhp1ScCtmkWo1esMlkg?e=xjt7cm

    Thank you again, to everyone.

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    PatrickBrian, this is why I have been member of Priuschat since Sept of 2015. If you don't know how to do it, someone in here has done it! Hybridpit is my go to for the big stuff. They are good people.
     
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    We appreciate you as well, Thank you for the kind praise.
     
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    Patrick, thanks for the images of the car running. That makes all of our efforts from taking the original phone call, to building the engine, to shipping it all worth while. Don't forget that first oil change at 500 miles and ease into the break in period...congrats on the install, you're awesome.
     
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    Patrick,
    Awesome job! Congrats on getting the car done. I did the head gasket on my 2012 last year and, well, that car kind of did the same trip as yours--it is with a daughter now too! Oddly, however, after about 17K I started getting misfires. I have a whole thread here on PriusChat about that. I still haven't completely figured out the issue, but for a while the running thought was that the HG job didn't take. At that point I also talked with Hybrid Pitstop about getting an engine. In the end, we decided that the issue probably wasn't the HG so it didn't make sense to replace the engine. HOWEVER, I have to say that I was very happy with my conversations with HP. They were not trying to sell something to me that I (probably) do not need, and that makes me feel really really good. If I do need an engine, I have every expectation that they will be the vendor from whom I make a purchase.

    For what it is worth... I still haven't quite nailed the misfire problem. To discount a fuel pump I put in a "new" one from a totaled car with the rationale being that the probability that both were failing was quite low. The issue got "better" but after 1400 miles I'm getting pending codes on all cylinders. The current thought is that it might be a coil pack going bad. A single bad pack can, apparently, manifest itself in misfires on *all* cylinders. To help diagnose this, I bought a 2014 Prius V this morning. OK, I jest... in part. I did pick up another V this morning but only to replace the one my daughter took from us! I rather like the format of the car, and gas in California is expensive. But now that I have two near identical cars, I am considering swapping all the coil packs. If the problem goes to the new car (which has over 17K on the time since reset) then that is a pretty strong pointer towards a pack being bad. At that point, I'll probably just replace them all. Fingers crossed.

    Anyhow, nice job on the repair! Your daughter must be delighted.
     
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    Hi Wrench,
    I was wondering how you made out with your daughter Prius? I hope yours was less involved than mine, I have an engine hoist if you need one.

    To update anyone else reading. We changed oil at 500. I didn't find anything in the OCC. I have no known issues with the engine, nor do I expect any.

    We're currently at about 2k miles and I just took it back to replace the RR parking brake cable.
    As a side note, I was unable to find a procedure for replacing the brake shoes. The only procedure's I could find were for the parking brake to be part of the caliper. Mine has drum behind disc. Here's a link to the thread I just created for it.
    2014 Prius V parking brake issue resolved | PriusChat
     
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    You could get a minimum length Toyota tech info subscription and download. Make a a list of other sections of interest. If it’s same as hatchback Prius don’t bother, there is a pdf of 2010 3rd gen full manual.
     
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    Thanks Mendel. I searched that 2010 manual three times. The P-brake is in the caliper. I'm beginning to think I have the one oddball car out there. I made due. I found a site that claims to have one, but I asked them to confirm that section and they have not responded to my emails.
     
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    Hi Patrick,
    It is an ongoing project, the thread for which can be followed here:

    Suddenly getting misfires on all four cylinders | Page 7 | PriusChat

    I'll give you the quick summary though... I did a head job, and I still think that worked well. However, I started getting misfires about 13-15K after the head job. I had a real mechanic look at the car and he felt the head was fine but the misfires were so intermittent that we couldn't nail down the issue. I replaced the fuel pump assembly and chain tensioner, as low cost shots in the dark. Then, at about 17K after the head job (so roughly 120K total) the car failed to start again at an intersection in a horrible part of town with my 25 year old daughter alone. Not something I like to think about. Had the car towed 55 miles back to my house (thankfully, had AAA Premium, or whatever it is called, so that tow was free). I pulled the valve cover and the 3 rockers on the intake cam were sitting in the bottom of the vault--definitely not the way it was when I put it back together after doing the chain tensioner! Further, many, if not all, of the other rockers on the intake were similarly loose. The exhaust can has tension on them. Nobody on the forum seems to have a reason for why this would be the case.... I do NOT want another dead engine with my daughter, so like you, I decided to get a reman'd engine from Hybrid Pit. Greg was the sales rep I worked with, and I give him high marks for his customer service skills--nice guy. The engine showed up at the FedEx terminal the day after shipping (bit of a fiasco there, apparently, because FedEx didn't show up with the liftgate truck I paid $100 more to have show up, so Greg (et al) had to lift the engine up into the truck). I picked up the engine the engine the next day due to family obligations and then the weather went south. I've moved the engine into the back of my van because it is a safe dry place to store it until tomorrow, New Year's Day.

    I managed to purchase an engine hoist off CraigsList earlier in the week, so tomorrow I hope to pull the old engine out and see how far I get with the new engine. Finger's crossed, but from what I understand, it is actually easier than doing the head job. Fluids will all be here Tuesday, so even if I finish with the install earlier, I won't be starting anything until those are in, obviously.

    I actually found a fairly reasonably priced used 2014 Prius V with 100K about 2 weeks ago and bought that to replace the one my daughter took. That came in handy as the HV battery on the 2012 dead Prius was getting very low. Unfortunately, the HV battery is required to start the car, so I temporarily swapped the packs so that I could charge the 2012. That was a minor PITA, but easier than charging individual cells if I ran out of juice. I had the time, so it seemed prudent to do the work so that I don't run into a dead battery.

    My daughter is actually in South Africa for about 3 weeks, so I am hoping i can get the 500 miles in before the first oil change before she comes back.

    Questions for you:
    1. Do you have a guide for engine removal/installation?
    2. How would you rate the difficulty of the job? It doesn't strike me as horrible, but I'm curious to hear what you think now that you are done.
     
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    Prius v has top-hat-shaped rear rotors with simple calipers squeezing on them for the service brakes, and itty bitty brake shoes inside for the parking brakes.

    There is a pdf for 2010 Gen 3 floating around, but it ain't the full manual. There are whole sections missing, some because the people clicking print-to-file hundreds of times to make the pdf just missed some, others because they were added later in the online manual (like all the info on replacing internal inverter components, 'cause originally only the assembly was available). The whole section on the airbag system comes from a 2009 Gen 2 manual, however that happened.

    So that pdf is kind of convenient to look in quickly for most stuff if you find it there, but if you make the mistake of thinking it's the full manual, you'll just think you're losing your mind the first time you look for something that's not there.
     
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