Have PiP, just bought a Ford Fusion Energi...

Discussion in 'Ford/Lincoln Hybrids and EVs' started by DadofHedgehog, May 30, 2013.

  1. rogerv

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    Good post; well-organized and succinct. Now, I do have one question: How does the Ford compare to the PiP with regard to road noise? I love a road trip, but always take them in our Lexus for quiet comfort, but at about half the mpg.:(
     
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    The Fusion is much, much quieter and more comfortable on a long road.
     
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    Update from the Bonneville Salt Flats: after seven runs down that looooong strip, both upwind and downwind, with two drivers in attendance, we report that the Ford Fusion's governor definitely kicks in right at 105 MPH despite the engine+electric assist still having ponies in reserve. The Fusion was stable at all speeds, even into the slightly sideways headwind, once we got used to the peculiar track surface. Track air temperature was at an even 100 degrees (4:30 to 6 PM local time), and the car sure spun its radiator fan @ max RPM after every run.

    But then we discovered the salt, the salt all caked inside the wheel wells - oh, the sweet agony of cleaning after the fun :LOL: and naturally the displayed average MPGe took a hit as well, he hee...
     
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    ...and yes, I'd love to try the same in our chassis-stiffened PiP - just have to drive it all the way out here from Virginia. maybe next Summer...
     
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    I would guess one doesn't see a lot of hybrids at Bonneville. :LOL:
     
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    Fusion road trip update. Dateline: Chicago.

    Trip odometer: 6054 miles. MPGe: 42.2 (was 47.9 at start after 4283 miles @ home).

    Usual road speed: 75+ MPH on freeways in the Eastern half (East of the Mississippi), 80+ MPH on the Western half.

    Freeway / at-grade road ratio: about 65/35 guesstimate. Would have been more even except for the Nebraska section :)

    Charging enroute: four full charges. Once via L2 @ Minneapolis, three times via OEM EVSE at old-style motor hotels in the West, where you drive up to and park at your room door.

    Significant stealth charging: twice. Once a 2/3 stealth charge previously reported on the very long, constant descent on US Route 16 @ the Bighorn Mountains in Wyoming, where the indicated EV miles went from zero to "37" while the traction battery indicator showed about 2/3 full. Once on the 18-mile-road descent from Pikes Peak, where the traction battery indicator went from empty to completely full while the EV miles went to 43. At that point, the traction battery refused any more charge for the remaining three miles of the Pikes Peak road. And no, you can't get something from nothing - the "43 EV miles" turned into 23 actual road miles when we measured actual results on a flat freeway immediately afterward. Note: the Pikes Peak ascent and descent were both in L transmission setting.

    So, the car ain't new anymore, he hee...
     
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    Back home in Northern Virginia. Trip mileage: 6965 miles (uuuf!). Indcated MPGe on the Fusion display when we started: 47.9. Indicated MPGe on the Fusion's display when we pulled into the driveway: 42.2. Gasoline gallons used during the trip: 168. My hand-calculated MPG for the trip (miles/gallons) = 41.5, and considering how we drove this beastie out West, I'm happy with that :LOL: .

    Yes, the PiP would have done this trip with a better gas mileage. The Fusion was a better car for it: quieter, more powerful, more roomy: two adults, two sleeping bags, two sleeping pads, a two-person Eureka tent, a Playmate food cooler, two dress suits for a wedding in Minenapolis enroute, two duffle bags (one each), two+ coats, sweatshirts etc. for the mountains, two notebook/laptop backpacks, and the usual dwindling case of water bottles, the usual bug / window washing fluid jug, the dry goods food box, the usual trip mementoes and knicknacks you pick up during such a trip, i.e. a hand-made wooden inlaid canoe paddle from an old Army buddy at whose house we stayed, a loose bottle of Bourbon for those cold campground evenings ;)and the two mandatory Stetson hats we picked up in Cody Wyoming. We actually had room to spare every day with all this stuff in the car.

    IMHO - the Ford 2013 Fusion is a damn fine car. It has its quirks, like any car make & model - but it's a solid car and easy to live with. Oh, and it's "Made in America" or at least in neighboring northern Mexico.

    However, I'll take the Toyota PiP's GPS any day over the Ford Fusion's GPS. Sloooooooooooow to load, loses its path often, re-programs the route randomly for no reason when restarted at a gas station etc. Phoooey!
     
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    100% agreed on the Nav, thats why I bring a TomTom with. :)
     
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    For me it's WAZE on my cellphone, which routes me around traffic tie ups, and I also carry a Magellan unit as back up. It also has live traffic, but not as good as the WAZE system.
     
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    Yes, that 6 EV miles EPA is solely an artifact of where they tossed a "hill" into the test, which causes the PiP to go through a warmup cycle and burn a miniscule amount of gasoline. My wife is a "just drive it" person, and in practice rarely accelerates hard enough to trip this warmup cycle, so you don't have to be a hyper-miler fanatic to avoid this issue.
     
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    sorry to thread jack. Just chiming in with my results as an former Prius owner.

    1756 miles so far
    71.2 MPG average
    155kWh used

    I've put about 20 gallons into the tank now as I've been doing lots of longer trips. Even on my trips when I'm out of battery I get in the mid 40's MPG. I'm not a peddle to the metal driver, takes me a little longer, but I often coast at current speeds unless I have time to sit over in the right lane.
     
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    1756 miles with 71.2 consumption MPG would indicate 24.6 gallons used.

    If you get 45 MPG gas economy, you drove 1107 miles with gas.

    That would leave 649 miles driven by 155kWh of electricity. That would mean your electricity economy was 120 MPGe.

    Pretty good results with either fuels
     
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    True usbseawolf. Other than grabbing the numbers off the trip counter I did not run any calculations. I do add some gas when it's cheap lately, maybe I've missed a fillup. I have not check each gas only drive, I checked a few longer ones and I remember seeing 48's in the high ones and few short drives that where down in the 30's, and I had no battery left and no time to charge. Overall I'm very happy I'm getting close to my old Prius MPG with all the extra seating room and a styling I really love.
     
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    Rogrev, I think the Fusion is more quiet in my old Lexus HS. At least at high speeds and the gas engine is not running.
     
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    Since the thread is about both PiP and the Energi, this should help to see how PiP owners are getting.

    Top 20 MPGe | PriusChat
     
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    I've had no experience with the Lexus HS, nor any of their models except the LS 430. Mine is an '02 with 70k miles, is very tight, solid and quiet, really just as when it was new. So it is my benchmark. Also, I frequently drive an LS that belongs to a client, an '05 with 45k miles. I find it to be much the same. I do notice tire noise on these cars occasionally, on certain road surfaces, but nothing like the constant road noise I get with the PiP. I have no plans at this time to replace my PiP, but the Fusion Energi would be on my shortlist in the event I had to to so, as almost happened last year due to an accident involving a gravel hauler. That got me thinking.:cool: If you're interested, this may take you to it, around August 19, 2013. Oh no- my turn for an accident | PriusChat
     
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    Now in late 2014, after two cross-country father-son Fusion trips and with the Fusion showing around 42k miles and the PiP with 48k miles, were the PiP to somehow wreck, I'd get a Fusion myself as my next car.

    I switched to Michelin Defenders on the PiP this Summer and the Hedgehog is about to do the same on the Fusion (he doesn't know it yet - it's a Christmas thing). The Defenders have really quieted and also improved the PiP's ride and as a result I strongly recommend these tires all around. If they last for their advertised mileage, they might be the last tires the PiP will wear while I'm the owner.
     
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